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Been forever since I posted...I've always been lurking...
I know the story about crutch leaving, ben taking over etc, etc...
but what I want to know is--- Does anyone know if Ben and Crutch are true friends? Should be bc of the time spent playing for him and on staff...but I wonder if the fact that some WL fellas transfer to Nova SE, and Ben doesn't like it or considers it tampering? Crutch still recruits Ohio it looks like....I know they are both competitiors, but are they "civil" to each other? I want to know the dyamic if they do play each other....PLease shed some light on it...Really interesting story line if they both make the final....but my guess is they don't...upsets happen...
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Originally posted by IUP Extra Mile View PostBeen forever since I posted...I've always been lurking...
I know the story about crutch leaving, ben taking over etc, etc...
but what I want to know is--- Does anyone know if Ben and Crutch are true friends? Should be bc of the time spent playing for him and on staff...but I wonder if the fact that some WL fellas transfer to Nova SE, and Ben doesn't like it or considers it tampering? Crutch still recruits Ohio it looks like....I know they are both competitiors, but are they "civil" to each other? I want to know the dyamic if they do play each other....PLease shed some light on it...Really interesting story line if they both make the final....but my guess is they don't...upsets happen...
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Originally posted by IUP Extra Mile View PostBeen forever since I posted...I've always been lurking...
I know the story about crutch leaving, ben taking over etc, etc...
but what I want to know is--- Does anyone know if Ben and Crutch are true friends? Should be bc of the time spent playing for him and on staff...but I wonder if the fact that some WL fellas transfer to Nova SE, and Ben doesn't like it or considers it tampering? Crutch still recruits Ohio it looks like....I know they are both competitiors, but are they "civil" to each other? I want to know the dyamic if they do play each other....PLease shed some light on it...Really interesting story line if they both make the final....but my guess is they don't...upsets happen...
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FYI WLU vs IUP Stats
Advantage IUPTeam WLU IUP FGM 27.00 16.00 FGA 54.00 53.00 FTA 12.00 20.00 Three Point FGM 6.00 5.00 three Point FGA 20.00 18.00 OFF REB 5.00 17.00 Assists 19.00 12.00 Turnovers 7.00 15.00 Points 70.00 53.00 Number of Possessions 61.28 59.80 Points per Possession 1.14 0.89 Offensive Rating: Points/100 possessions 114 89 Shooting Efficiency (FGM +0.5*3ptFGM)/FGA 55.6% 34.9% Turnover % 11.42% 25.08% Assists % of Possessions 31.01% 20.07% Assist to Turnover Ratio 2.71 0.80 - Offensive rebounds 17-5
- Free throws attempted 20-12
- Free Throws Made 16-10
- Shutdown defense
- Held IUP to offensive rating of only 89 points per 100 possessions, when they averaged 111 points for the season. Need at least 100 to have a chance to win in most games.
- Forced Turnovers on 25% of the IUP possessions
- Held IUP to 0.80 assist to turnover ratio, which indicates forcing more 1 on 1 play
- WLU offensive efficiency
- Offensive rating of 114 – below average of 124, but still very good for D2
- Shooting Efficiency – WLU 56% IUP 35%
- Turnovers on only 11.4% of possessions
- Points in the paint – WLU 38, IUP 22
- Fast break points WLU 11, IUP 4
- Assists on 31% of possessions compared to only 20% for IUP
- Stellar Assist to turnover ratio of 2.71, well above nation leading average of 1.93
IMHO, the root cause for the superior stats was the cumulative effect of fatigue from the WLU pressure and pace. This is the typical effect that most opposing teams exhibit from the pressure and pace over the course of the game.- IUP was a step slow, resulting in open looks at the rim.
- They had to quit double teaming Bryce, because IUP was too slow to close out on shooters.
- No one defender could stop Bryce in the post.
- IUP shooting % dropped due to fatigue.
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Originally posted by Columbuseer View Post
IMHO, the purpose of the press is to create fatigue of all three types - central nervous system, peripheral and cognitive.
It may not result in turnovers and may occur in the second half.
Opponents get a step slow and their shooting % drops off a cliff - witness tonight .
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Originally posted by IUP Extra Mile View PostBeen forever since I posted...I've always been lurking...
I know the story about crutch leaving, ben taking over etc, etc...
but what I want to know is--- Does anyone know if Ben and Crutch are true friends? Should be bc of the time spent playing for him and on staff...but I wonder if the fact that some WL fellas transfer to Nova SE, and Ben doesn't like it or considers it tampering? Crutch still recruits Ohio it looks like....I know they are both competitiors, but are they "civil" to each other? I want to know the dyamic if they do play each other....PLease shed some light on it...Really interesting story line if they both make the final....but my guess is they don't...upsets happen...
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FYI - Season Stat comparison WLU vs New Haven
New Haven has good shooters, who can create their shot off a high ball screen or drive to basket.
Their 7-1 center has good timing for rebounding and shot blocking. He can disrupt interior offense for opponent.
It will be interesting to see if he guards Butler or just provides help defense.
Note: Offensive Rating is independent of whether a team plays fast or slow.
Statistic West Liberty Season New Haven Season FGM 1237 836 FGA 2495 1815 FTA 679 454 Three Point FGM 423 237 three Point FGA 1110 712 OFF REB 433 240 Assists 753 396 Turnovers 390 348 Steals 367 170 Turnovers Forced 651 314 Points 3404 2254 Games Played 34 33 Number of Possessions 2751 2123 Avg. Possessions per Game 81 64 Pts per Possession 1.24 1.06 Offensive Rating - pts/100 possessions 124 106 Shooting Efficiency (FGM +0.5*3ptFGM)/FGA 58.1% 52.6% Turnover % 14.2% 16.4% Forced Turnovers per Game 19.1 9.5 Percent Forced Live Ball Turnovers 56.4% 54.1% Assists % of Possessions 27.4% 18.7% Assist to Turnover Ratio 1.93 1.14 Last edited by Columbuseer; 03-15-2023, 10:07 PM.
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Originally posted by Layton View Post2 West Liberty vs 7 New Haven March 21 3:30 pm
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Originally posted by TopperNation View PostThis is not the most talented WL squad, but man this is lining up for my guys to at least reach the finals! I just got my hotel and tickets to the elite 8, now let's just hope that they get a good seeding and good playing time. I'm going to lose my sh..t if Ben starts pressing and it doesn't work and he continues to do it until WL is down 15, I have flashbacks of 2 years ago vs NWMS!!!!
Concerning the "most talented" Topper team, a great case can be made for the 20-21 team that had current D1 players Dalton Bolon, Pat Robinson, current Nova SE leader Will Yoakum, current WLU star Bryce Butler and WAY underrated PG Luke Dyer. Bench that included McKinney, Moore and Rasile, etc wasn't half bad either!!
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Originally posted by boatcapt View Post
I agree...Not the most talented Topper team but they are peaking at the right time. As the saying goes in tourney play..It's not as important to be the "best" team as it is to be the best team "right now." Seeding is equally important in a tourney. We learned that in the 20-21 Elite 8 when we drew NWMSU. I like how the seeding is breaking for the Toppers this year.
Concerning the "most talented" Topper team, a great case can be made for the 20-21 team that had current D1 players Dalton Bolon, Pat Robinson, current Nova SE leader Will Yoakum, current WLU star Bryce Butler and WAY underrated PG Luke Dyer. Bench that included McKinney, Moore and Rasile, etc wasn't half bad either!!
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Originally posted by TopperNation View Post
I agree with you Boat, from top to bottom that 20-21 team might be the most talented team I've seen since I first attempted to transfer there and started tracking the team in 2003. That 2014 WLU team can go toe to toe with anyone.
If I were looking to build a team to play the true "WLU Style," I'd look at that team.
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