Iup basketball

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Re: Iup basketball


Lol

[IUP24]

She'll also be something that the program badly needs----a knockout cover girl who is actually nice to look at!

-

[IUP CRIMSON HAWKS]

Re: Iup basketball

The Mascaro girl (Delaware transfer and local Yinzer) will be a Day 1 star.

He's loaded.

She'll also be something that the program badly needs----a knockout cover girl who is actually nice to look at!

-

[IUP24]

Iup basketball

The Mascaro girl (Delaware transfer and local Yinzer) will be a Day 1 star.

He's loaded.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Re: Iup basketball

The Mascaro girl (Delaware transfer and local Yinzer) will be a Day 1 star.

He's loaded.

[IUP24]

Tom is funny. He's got the premiere program at IUP (two straight region's and final four's) ... yet nobody talks about them.

He's loaded for the next several years, too.

[IUP24]

Tom is funny. He's got the premiere program at IUP (two straight region's and final four's) ... yet nobody talks about them.

He's loaded for the next several years, too.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Re: Iup basketball

Tom is funny. He's got the premiere program at IUP (two straight region's and final four's) ... yet nobody talks about them.

He's loaded for the next several years, too.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Re: Iup basketball

You should see Tom's grade report. May not be one under 4.0

[IUP24]

Yep. And I assume the loophole the elite PSAC programs work is the academic money angle to offset the difference.

Take Cobo for instance ... dual major with a 4.0 GPA. I'm sure they found him academic money to offset Joe's piggy bank.

The late signing from Niagara, Diop, is an academic whiz ... speaks 6 languages. And, of course, has a 7' wing span.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Re: Iup basketball

There's a difference between the number of player receiving scholarship $ and the max number of scholarship equivalencies a school can offer. The max number of equivalencies is static across the DII landscape regardless of the tuition charged by individual schools. A DII coach can, and often does split scholly's into partial's that he can give across the whole team. Take you observation about Clarion having only 3 schollys. That may be true but the HC could still put all 12 of his players on scholly...but only 25% schollys. A fully funded team like IUP could likewise put all 12 of its players on scholly but there schollys would be for 83% of their tuition.

Yep. And I assume the loophole the elite PSAC programs work is the academic money angle to offset the difference.

Take Cobo for instance ... dual major with a 4.0 GPA. I'm sure they found him academic money to offset Joe's piggy bank.

The late signing from Niagara, Diop, is an academic whiz ... speaks 6 languages. And, of course, has a 7' wing span.

[boatcapt]

Re: Iup basketball

Joe's current roster: (7) of the (12) receiving money are PA residents.

I'm pretty sure the PASSAHE sets the equivalency value at the cost of (1) in-state tuition ... whatever that number is (say, $17,000/year). The 'state schools' in the PASSHE have to spend real dollars (not like the privates -- Gannon, Mercyhurst and Seton Hill -- who can just discount tuition to whatever they want). So, in that example, (10) rides means Joe needs to come up with $177,000 a year in real dollars.

He's one of the only ones with those kind of financial resources. Clarion types are lucky to have (3) equivalencies to divide over the roster.

So, when he's taking out of state players, he gets charged out of state tuition (which comes out of that $177,000 pot).

You long-time IUP fans will recall this was one of the factors that Gary Edwards 'allegedly' got caught up in while at IUP. He was accused of trying to get out of state players in-state residency (to save on their 'cap' hit).

So, it's very likely he got creative with dollars this season being that he has (12) players receiving money. I'd guess the Top 6 are all full rides and the next 7 are splitting the final (4) equivalencies.

Obviously the factor we don't know is how they funnel in academic money, etc. There's ways to get extra money, obviously. Joe has routinely had high-education types so that's certainly probably a factor.

There's a difference between the number of player receiving scholarship $ and the max number of scholarship equivalencies a school can offer. The max number of equivalencies is static across the DII landscape regardless of the tuition charged by individual schools. A DII coach can, and often does split scholly's into partial's that he can give across the whole team. Take you observation about Clarion having only 3 schollys. That may be true but the HC could still put all 12 of his players on scholly...but only 25% schollys. A fully funded team like IUP could likewise put all 12 of its players on scholly but there schollys would be for 83% of their tuition.

[PSACfan1]

Re: Iup basketball

You ask 10 different people and you'll get 10 different answers.

My opinion:

Early in his career he probably wasn't ready for the minutes he received. Joe is famous for having a very short, quick leash with players on the floor. Dante never had a short leash. Ever. Did his minutes cost them an NCAA trip his freshman year (Norfleet's senior season)? Maybe.

Don't get me wrong. He won them a lot of games. He lost them a lot of games, too. He was extremely turnover-prone in his younger years. I think the consensus was if he had a different last name he'd have been on the bench a lot during his freshman and sophomore seasons. Instead he was playing heavy minutes.

Joe's not dumb. He knew that criticism was coming from the day he signed Dante. He was viewed as pretty arrogant by most although I never really saw it. He talked a lot during games -- but, they all talk a lot during games. He just had a target on him being the preppy, wealthy white kid on a very good team. Look at how many people came after him in games -- Micah Till, Trey Staunch, etc. He brought some of it on himself. But, not all of it.

I've 'heard' things weren't always peachy in the locker room the past four years. There was also the rumor Malik wanted to redshirt last year. They had the talent to make all four tournaments in his tenure. Should Dante have been the PG all of those first three years? That's probably up for debate. And, that, certainly has added to the fan disconnect.

Make no mistake he had a really strong senior season. In fact, one could make the case he carried them down the stretch. His game against West Chester in the PSAC semifinals was one of the best performances I've ever seen by an IUP player -- and that says a lot. His defense his senior year was night and day different from the first three years. He also finally quit trying to be Allen Iverson with the ball.

He did have an injury-riddled career. He almost always played through it, though.

Statistically, he's an IUP Hall of Fame player. I don't think that can even be argued. How history views his four-year tenure ... we'll see. Stat-wise, he had a better career than DeVante Chance and many other high-profile PG's. He had a very good career overall. The March results weren't real great, however.

Thanks for the summation... Obviously the initial leap was made on my end that he was getting favoritism for the obvious reasons, but like you said whether he was deserving or not he still would have gotten the same criticism. It sure sounds like he's made a great case toward the end of his career at IUP though.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Re: Iup basketball

As an outsider can you explain what issues the IUP community had with Dante?

You ask 10 different people and you'll get 10 different answers.

My opinion:

Early in his career he probably wasn't ready for the minutes he received. Joe is famous for having a very short, quick leash with players on the floor. Dante never had a short leash. Ever. Did his minutes cost them an NCAA trip his freshman year (Norfleet's senior season)? Maybe.

Don't get me wrong. He won them a lot of games. He lost them a lot of games, too. He was extremely turnover-prone in his younger years. I think the consensus was if he had a different last name he'd have been on the bench a lot during his freshman and sophomore seasons. Instead he was playing heavy minutes.

Joe's not dumb. He knew that criticism was coming from the day he signed Dante. He was viewed as pretty arrogant by most although I never really saw it. He talked a lot during games -- but, they all talk a lot during games. He just had a target on him being the preppy, wealthy white kid on a very good team. Look at how many people came after him in games -- Micah Till, Trey Staunch, etc. He brought some of it on himself. But, not all of it.

I've 'heard' things weren't always peachy in the locker room the past four years. There was also the rumor Malik wanted to redshirt last year. They had the talent to make all four tournaments in his tenure. Should Dante have been the PG all of those first three years? That's probably up for debate. And, that, certainly has added to the fan disconnect.

Make no mistake he had a really strong senior season. In fact, one could make the case he carried them down the stretch. His game against West Chester in the PSAC semifinals was one of the best performances I've ever seen by an IUP player -- and that says a lot. His defense his senior year was night and day different from the first three years. He also finally quit trying to be Allen Iverson with the ball.

He did have an injury-riddled career. He almost always played through it, though.

Statistically, he's an IUP Hall of Fame player. I don't think that can even be argued. How history views his four-year tenure ... we'll see. Stat-wise, he had a better career than DeVante Chance and many other high-profile PG's. He had a very good career overall. The March results weren't real great, however.

[PSACfan1]

Re: Iup basketball

Not bringing up the whole Dante 4-year era intentionally but, well, things will certainly be different without him. Put it that way.

They will be tremendously different without him. I think Joe will also be much different.

That era was what it was. Dante did a lot of great things here. Joe also kept him on the court when he wasn't doing a lot of great things, too.

Should the Dante and Cobo 4-year run have won more than two NCAA games? Probably.

As an outsider can you explain what issues the IUP community had with Dante?