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Originally posted by Brandon View Post
Speaking of that. It's hilarious to read NW fans complain about Cam Martin not being called for fouls only to follow that up and read Southern fans complaining that he gets fouled on every possession. Southern fans are pretty peeved about the crowd booing Martin on the all-tournament selection.
I say that in jest... if we would lose, personally, I'd want to see MoSo win it all... I just don't want to have to play them again.
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Originally posted by GrifFan View Post
I get the reaction of both fan bases: Martin does not get called for as many fouls as he deserves (I wonder if he's the second coming of Mahatma Gandhi, because for all the violence that occurs around him he's apparently rarely guilty of it himself). He probably also gets fouled more than opponents get whistled.
I don't get booing him on the all-tournament team, though, unless there's more to the story. That just seems petty, especially after the Bearcats won the game.
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Originally posted by laker View Post
Is this the same Cam Martin who massacred my Mavs last year in Mankato for 49 points in an OT win? I suppose I should have been booing him for beating my team, but my jaw had dropped so far because of his total domination prevented me from doing so. Mister Wizard can vouch for me on this.
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Originally posted by MisterWizard View Post
On the other hand, he was hacked and shoved and beat up a ton more than Hawkins who drew at least two fouls from defenders on his backside.
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Originally posted by #WolvesNation View PostIn addition, the head-to-head games we are talking were the first two games with a new head coach and 800 miles from home. But let's go ahead and take a couple games from November as more important than what the Wolves have put together in March. SMH.
The spreadsheet posted by schnautza shows that Northern has the better record, PI & regional record. The GAC school have the better OW%, OOW%, ranked record and RPI. My guess is the committee didn't think Northern had separated themselves from the GAC schools and used the tiebreaker.
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The first one, I felt like Dreamer flopped a little... I mean Martin bullied into him like he does, but I thought Dreamer tried to oversell it and that's why he didn't get the call. The second one, I thought was bad... he went right through Dreamer to the basket, and I don't know what else he could have done, but end up on his back. Something has to be whistled there... block, charge... something. Which goes right in to my last post... for about 3-4 minutes after that, they started calling E-V-E-R-Y-T-H-I-N-G! Just be consistent, so players know what to expect.Last edited by Alfred33; 03-09-2020, 09:15 AM.
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Originally posted by Randy View Post
I haven't bothered to read the selection criteria this year but I know in the past (and I doubt it's changed) winning a conference tournament is not listed. The wins and the opponents played matter but not the tournament championship. Head-to-head has always been listed as a tiebreaker but when the games were played was not. It doesn't matter if it's November or March.
The spreadsheet posted by schnautza shows that Northern has the better record, PI & regional record. The GAC school have the better OW%, OOW%, ranked record and RPI. My guess is the committee didn't think Northern had separated themselves from the GAC schools and used the tiebreaker.
It feels like the top part of the conference is competitive and "looks" the same record-wise as the GAC, but wondering if the large conference and volume of playing bad conference teams brings them down?
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I was at the game, stayed thru the post game festivities, yes there was booing, it wasn't most of the fans, but it could be heard pretty easily, we all have ignorant fans and it was embarrassing to hear that...I yelled at the fans around me to stop it, but hey I'm only one person! :D Perhaps they should bring the officials out for the post-game festivities so we can all boo them!!! :D
Cam is an excellent offensive player, he's physical and NW has NOBODY that is physical enough to really impact his game. If the refs are going to let me play that way, I'd play that way too. The one play I was upset about looked like Cam elbowed Dreamer in the neck or face knocking him down hard and there was no call. That could be from the more of a flop earlier Dreamer did, so he didn't get that call...that one should have been looked at on the monitor.
MoSo fans can't have it both ways...allowing him to be that physical and then complaining when the D is being physical right back...don't be *****ing about the lack of calls, he gets more calls his way than go against him...what he had 2 walks and 3 fouls...how many fouls did Waters and Dreamer have, plus a couple more when players tried to play some help D on him.
Officiating was all over the place...you can be bad as long as you're consistently bad, they were not consistent at all. Players have no idea how they can play in that type of situation.
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Originally posted by Moorhead123 View Post42 teams in the central region. Curious if anyone familiar with how many teams in some of the other regions? Heard rumors that some other regions have less overall teams.
Atlantic: 44
CIAA 12, MEC 12, PSAC 18- plus two independents in Bluefield State and Salem International.
Central: 42
GAC 12, MIAA 14, NSIC 16
East: 38
CACC 14, East Coast 10, Northeast 10 14
Midwest: 38
GLIAC 12, GVLC 13, GMAC 12 men's, 13 women's plus independent Oakland City
South:42
Gulf South 13, SIAC 15, Sunshine State 11 plus 3 independent Puerto Rico schools.
South Central: 34
Lone Star 19, RMAC 15. The Heartland is no longer.
Southeast: 35
Conference Carolinas 10 men's, 11 women's, Peach Belt 12, SAC 13
West: 34
CCAA 12, GNAC 10, Pacific West 12
There are also six independents listed. I'm not sure who goes where. There are three Puerto Rico school, Bluefield State and Salem International both in West Virginia and Oakland City in Indiana. Someone can help us out here. The problem is that the numbers will never be even because you don't want to split up a conference.
Edit- those six have now been included.
Last edited by laker; 03-09-2020, 10:20 AM.
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