They tried to equalize that type of inequity in football.
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Excluding Puerto Rico and reclassifying schools, the numbers are:
South Central: 33 (17+16)
Southeast: 35 (11+12+12)
West: 36 (11+12+13)
East: 37 (9+14+14)
South: 37 (13+13+11)
Midwest: 41 (12+12+16+1, though realistically Oakland City shouldn't be counted with their mostly non-D2 schedule)
Central: 42 (12+14+16)
Atlantic: 43 (11+12+18+2)
In sports that a significant number of members don't sponsor, they actually adjust the regional bracket sizes. For instance, in baseball the West region has a 6-team bracket. Of course, as long as each region gets a spot in the round of 8, the size of the regional bracket doesn't mean that much. Men's soccer went to four regions this year, but when it had eight the Central region had only 9 schools total and a two-team regional bracket for a spot in the national quarterfinals, basically giving those teams a two-round bye.
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Originally posted by schnautza View Post
I'm not sure the number of teams in the region matters as much as the number of conferences and quality teams. In most regions, there are 3 teams. That's 3 auto-bids.
There are a few regions that seem to be stacked every year - Midwest, Central, West. Others seem to be pretty light with a couple dominant teams, like East, Southeast, Atlantic.
Having 3 auto-bids gives 3 lower teams the chance to get in, if they can get hot at the right time. In the Midwest, it seems like there are always 3-4 teams that SHOULD have made it, while an autobid or two pushed somebody out. Doesn't really have anything to do with the number of teams in the region, but more to do with how many top-tier contenders are concentrated in one area. I'm not sure how they'd fix that unless they did away with the regionalization all together and went wit 64 bids at large across the country.
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Originally posted by Inkblot View PostExcluding Puerto Rico and reclassifying schools, the numbers are:
South Central: 33 (17+16)
Southeast: 35 (11+12+12)
West: 36 (11+12+13)
East: 37 (9+14+14)
South: 37 (13+13+11)
Midwest: 41 (12+12+16+1, though realistically Oakland City shouldn't be counted with their mostly non-D2 schedule)
Central: 42 (12+14+16)
Atlantic: 43 (11+12+18+2)
In sports that a significant number of members don't sponsor, they actually adjust the regional bracket sizes. For instance, in baseball the West region has a 6-team bracket. Of course, as long as each region gets a spot in the round of 8, the size of the regional bracket doesn't mean that much. Men's soccer went to four regions this year, but when it had eight the Central region had only 9 schools total and a two-team regional bracket for a spot in the national quarterfinals, basically giving those teams a two-round bye.
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Not exactly the takeaway I was looking for. My point was that regionalization is pretty dumb if you are trying to get the best 64 teams in the country into the bracket, since many regions are stronger than others and may have up to 12 teams that should be considered top-64, while others may only have 4-5.
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Originally posted by Thepeman View Post
So how do you fix it? Easy to make a statement without making a pitch to make it better.
I know some will make the argument against regionalization, which is valid, but I'm not convinced there's any collection of people that could put together a "best 64" that looks much better than the current model.
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Originally posted by Tech Boys View Post
The GAC plays a 22-game conference schedule, two games vs each of the other eleven.
So in the case where they're playing everyone twice in the GAC, it would be an advantage to the GAC schools over the NSIC IF the NSIC school plays the bottom half of the conference more times than the top of the conference (assuming wins against both opponents) like Northern did this year. However, it would also appear to be an advantage to an NSIC school if they played and beat more teams from the top half of the conference in comparison to the GAC where they play everyone twice, no matter what.
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The only problem I see with that would be the attendance would be abysmal without a host team or a dog in the fight. Division 1 draws no matter who is playing because it's March Madness and people are interested, but early round games in D2... I don't see it. Maybe there isn't that much value in that to anyone... I don't know. Outside of the host team's sessions, the attendance is hit or miss anyway, I guess.
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Originally posted by Randy View Post
I haven't bothered to read the selection criteria this year but I know in the past (and I doubt it's changed) winning a conference tournament is not listed. The wins and the opponents played matter but not the tournament championship. Head-to-head has always been listed as a tiebreaker but when the games were played was not. It doesn't matter if it's November or March.
The spreadsheet posted by schnautza shows that Northern has the better record, PI & regional record. The GAC school have the better OW%, OOW%, ranked record and RPI. My guess is the committee didn't think Northern had separated themselves from the GAC schools and used the tiebreaker.
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Originally posted by schnautza View Post
Not exactly the takeaway I was looking for. My point was that regionalization is pretty dumb if you are trying to get the best 64 teams in the country into the bracket, since many regions are stronger than others and may have up to 12 teams that should be considered top-64, while others may only have 4-5.
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Originally posted by #WolvesNation View Post
Interesting that winning a conference tournament isn't listed as a criteria to seed teams. Not having it in there, I guess makes sense for Northern to get a 4 seed. It would seem to me that maybe the criteria should be looked and re-assessed. The conference tournament emulates how the Regional is played - so it would seem to me you would reward a team for playing great for 3 out of 4 days at the end of the year like the regional and national tournament are going to be. But here I am just sitting behind a computer so my input matters a lot I'm sure.
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