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  • MrAugustana
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    First things first, I want to thank Moorhead123 for inciting this deliciously nostalgic sample of what the boards were like in their glory days. The cherry on top would be John making a triumphant return and making everybody rage. Those were the days.

    Now, to address a couple of things (don't worry about reading this, Stanger86... it'll likely be a tl;dr).

    Originally posted by Moorhead123 View Post

    Or when msum kicked the crap out of your highly ranked augie squad on their home floor in nsic tournament semis last year. Always fun to reminisce…
    That was a good win for Moorhead. But if we're going to continue the "looking back" game, I'm always partial to the 2015 and 2016 games between the Dragons and Vikings, particularly the conference tournament championship game in which we won our second straight conference tourney title and eventually surpassed the 2014-15 Dragons' postseason achievements by advancing to (and winning) the National Championship. Good times.

    That being said, as Winona fans can attest to, reminiscing on the past is fun, but what's more important is the direction the program is going moving forward. Obviously Augie has some elements that need to be corrected between now and the next few seasons. On one hand, we have highly regarded recruits coming in, which should help with getting us back on track. On the other hand, we have highly regarded recruits on the current roster too and we're still struggling more than most fans probably expected. Like I said, our coaches have some work to do. I'm pretty sure they're aware of that. Personally, I'm excited to see how we bounce back the next couple of years.

    What will be interesting with Moorhead is what things will look like when Bergstrasser is on his own. He's achieving a very high level of success this year with kids he helped recruit, but I'd imagine Walthall was a pretty important factor in getting kids like the Beeningas, Baumgartner, etc. I'd imagine Moorhead123 will express his absolute conviction that Bergstrasser will keep the program running at top-of-the-standings levels. It's very possible he will. But it'll still be interesting to see if they dip in 2-3 years when it's a Bergstrasser-only squad and Walthall's residual influence has worn off.

    Anyway, those are my thoughts on this little "remember that time when..." thing we were doing.

    Now, to argue with a fellow Viking fan for a minute...


    Originally posted by vikingfaithful View Post

    First of all, you show disgust for NSU posters by going lower case letters in your post. There were better choices than Lien that season for POY. AUGIE guard Jordan Spencer, UMC Harrison Cleary and SCSU Gage Davis.
    First thing: In the post before yours he literally wrote msum, all lowercase, in reference to Moorhead. So...yeah. I think it's just his writing style. That being said...

    More important thing: Why does it matter if he shows disgust for NSU posters? Nobody says we have to love all of the programs in the conference. I more or less despise everything about USF's athletic programs. Frankly, I haaaaated Winona the first 5-6 years I was on the boards (partially out of jealousy, partially out of disliking several of the WSU posters on here). I felt no obligation to show respect to them. I was in the group that went and actively cheered for Metro State in the 2009 Regional Tournament. It's one of my favorite memories as a basketball fan and it doesn't even involve Augie. I feel no shame or regret for that at all. I would love if people hated/envied Augie so much that they showed up just to cheer for their opponent in a Regional game. It would be a good indicator of where our program is at (as it was for Winona in 2009).

    Being completely honest, this is the range of emotions I feel toward other NSIC programs, with occasional fluctuation here or there:

    Hate: USF
    Strongly dislike: Moorhead, Mankato, SMSU
    Generally dislike: Northern, Duluth, Upper Iowa
    Essentially completely ambivalent about: Concordia, Mary, Minot, Crookston, Bemidji, St. Cloud, Winona
    Don't necessarily "like" but would like/support if I stopped being an Augie fan: Wayne

    I don't understand—and have never understood—why it's not ok in your mind to not like all of your opponents. I respect some of these programs in my dislike categories (very much not USF, but Moorhead and Northern, for example), but I don't like them, I never want to see them win, and I would love it if they somehow managed to all go 0-22 in conference play every year, as impossible as that may be.

    It often seems to grind your gears when posters say negative things about other teams or programs on the boards, and I have never understood why it bothers you so much. I have zero qualms or regrets about saying I dislike other teams. It doesn't make me a bad fan or a mean-spirited person. I just don't like seeing the teams my team competes against doing better than my team. I feel like that makes me competitive, not mean.

    It also doesn't mean I dislike other posters on here or wish ill upon them. Frustratingly, I like most of the posters on here these days. A handful have tendencies that annoy me, just like my siblings have tendencies that annoy me, but I don't actively dislike most/any of them like I used to in my fiery youth.

    I've just never understood this mindset of having to be nice to the programs we don't like. If it makes us look petty to other fans, so be it. I hope anybody reading this (other fans, parents, potential recruits, etc.) knows I'm an Augie fan and knows I'll be supportive of our athletic programs and our athletes. If it bothers someone that I'm not nice to other teams/fans/players/coaches, then that's their choice. But I'd hope they appreciate that I'll be fiercely loyal to them if they're pro-Augie. I think that's more important than how nice I am to Northern, Moorhead, usf, etc. (lowercase intentional... :) )

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  • Moorhead123
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    Originally posted by vikingfaithful View Post

    I believe you originally was talking about 2016-2017. The season Lien won POY.
    My bad. Spencer was also very deserving that year. Along with a few others.

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  • vikingfaithful
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    Originally posted by Moorhead123 View Post

    Capitals on nsu vs NSU?? hahaha… Maybe it’s simply my state school education isn’t as stellar as the private school education like augie…I mean Augustana.

    That’s your opinion on 2015-2016. Obviously, the people that made the decision felt that Aaron Lien was more deserving. His individual stats from that season were certainly impressive. Augie had a couple guys that were very worthy that year and neither were named Jordan Spencer.
    I believe you originally was talking about 2016-2017. The season Lien won POY.

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  • Moorhead123
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    Originally posted by Augieholic View Post

    You're quoting and responding to yourself, might be time for a timeout.
    Thanks ;)

    Hopefully my point was still made.

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  • NSU4LIFE
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    LMAO

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  • Augieholic
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    Originally posted by Moorhead123 View Post

    Or when msum kicked the crap out of your highly ranked augie squad on their home floor in nsic tournament semis last year. Always fun to reminisce…
    You're quoting and responding to yourself, might be time for a timeout.

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  • Moorhead123
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    Originally posted by vikingfaithful View Post

    First of all, you show disgust for NSU posters by going lower case letters in your post. There were better choices than Lien that season for POY. AUGIE guard Jordan Spencer was one of them, plus more that I forget.
    Capitals on nsu vs NSU?? hahaha… Maybe it’s simply my state school education isn’t as stellar as the private school education like augie…I mean Augustana.

    That’s your opinion on 2015-2016. Obviously, the people that made the decision felt that Aaron Lien was more deserving. His individual stats from that season were certainly impressive. Augie had a couple guys that were very worthy that year and neither were named Jordan Spencer.
    Last edited by Moorhead123; 01-23-2023, 12:47 PM.

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  • Moorhead123
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    Originally posted by Stanger86 View Post

    He's not saying it's a popularity contest. He's saying the move to go with the best player on the best team isn't always the right choice. There should be a component of individual success to the award as well. That's why Ross DeMasi didn't win it in 2008-09. Kevin Ratzsch did even though Northern was the No. 8 seed in the conference tournament.
    I agree there has to be component of individual success. Check the stats of Aaron Lien in 2015-2016. He was terrific. Most years there are 5-10 guys with terrific individual stats. 6 or 8 guys have been listed above for this season. You can make a compelling case for all of them. Sam Masten is very deserving, along with 6-8 other guys…just like every other year.

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  • vikingfaithful
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    Originally posted by Moorhead123 View Post

    Popular?? He certainly had a terrific year. So did the Msum team that year. To make it more popular I say we just change the award so only nsu or Augie players are eligible. That would certainly make sure the most popular choice wins.
    First of all, you show disgust for NSU posters by going lower case letters in your post. There were better choices than Lien that season for POY. AUGIE guard Jordan Spencer, UMC Harrison Cleary and SCSU Gage Davis.
    Last edited by vikingfaithful; 01-23-2023, 12:37 PM.

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  • Moorhead123
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    Originally posted by Moorhead123 View Post

    Popular?? He certainly had a terrific year. So did the Msum team that year. To make it more popular I say we just change the award so only nsu or Augie players are eligible. That would certainly make sure the most popular choice wins.
    Or when msum kicked the crap out of your highly ranked augie squad on their home floor in nsic tournament semis last year. Always fun to reminisce…

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  • NSU4LIFE
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    Originally posted by Stanger86 View Post

    He's not saying it's a popularity contest. He's saying the move to go with the best player on the best team isn't always the right choice. There should be a component of individual success to the award as well. That's why Ross DeMasi didn't win it in 2008-09. Kevin Ratzsch did even though Northern was the No. 8 seed in the conference tournament.
    An old Kev was like 1-12 shooting versus SMSU in one of the worst offensive performances in NSU mens basketball history, mostly due to that Mustang defense was one of the best in the country, if I remember correctly.

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  • Augieholic
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    Originally posted by Moorhead123 View Post

    Popular?? He certainly had a terrific year. So did the Msum team that year. To make it more popular I say we just change the award so only nsu or Augie players are eligible. That would certainly make sure the most popular choice wins.
    Who can forget when super terrific NSIC Regular Season Champion Moorhead lost to Concordia who went 2-20 in NSIC play in the 1st round of the conference tourney.

    This year my POY vote would be Jordan Janssen. In NSIC games hes #3 in scoring, #4 in rebounding, #3 in FG%, and #6 in blocks.

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  • MrAugustana
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    Originally posted by Moorhead123 View Post

    Popular?? He certainly had a terrific year. So did the Msum team that year. To make it more popular I say we just change the award so only nsu or Augie players are eligible. That would certainly make sure the most popular choice wins.
    lol

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  • Stanger86
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    Originally posted by Moorhead123 View Post

    Popular?? He certainly had a terrific year. So did the Msum team that year. To make it more popular I say we just change the award so only nsu or Augie players are eligible. That would certainly make sure the most popular choice wins.
    He's not saying it's a popularity contest. He's saying the move to go with the best player on the best team isn't always the right choice. There should be a component of individual success to the award as well. That's why Ross DeMasi didn't win it in 2008-09. Kevin Ratzsch did even though Northern was the No. 8 seed in the conference tournament.

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  • NSU4LIFE
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    Originally posted by Moorhead123 View Post

    Popular?? He certainly had a terrific year. So did the Msum team that year. To make it more popular I say we just change the award so only nsu or Augie players are eligible. That would certainly make sure the most popular choice wins.
    Oh good grief, here we go...lol

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