Midseason NSIC Awards

[Moorhead123]

We all remember how popular it was when they gave Aaron Lien the NSIC POY in 2016-17 for this exact reason. Fill it up again!

Popular?? He certainly had a terrific year. So did the Msum team that year. To make it more popular I say we just change the award so only nsu or Augie players are eligible. That would certainly make sure the most popular choice wins.

[Augieholic]

Let’s pretend Msum ends up winning last 8 games and wins the north and overall nsic. There is an argument that Msum’s best player (which may be Baumgartner or Beeninga) should win the player of year in the north. Similar reason nobody talking about Kimmons from csp winning POY in south because team isn’t winning.

We all remember how popular it was when they gave Aaron Lien the NSIC POY in 2016-17 for this exact reason. Fill it up again!

[Thunder]

Surprised no one has mentioned John Sutherland from Bemidji in the North. Understand the love for Baumgartner and especially Masten.

But Sutherland's numbers are pretty impressive:

• 19.1 ppg
• 9.0 rpg
• 2.1 apg
• 60.9 FG%
• 64.3 FT%
• 31.4 min

Pretty salty numbers. I'd still go with Masten. Just thought Sutherland's accomplishments shouldn't be overlooked.

I was trying to remember him from when Northern played them earlier this year...turns out he was one of the guys they had out that game (injured I presume). I haven't paid that close of attention to Bemidji and was confused as to how they were winning so many games when they looked awful at NSU earlier this year. Missing your best player will do that. They will be a vastly different team when Northern makes the trip to Bemidji in a few weeks.

[Moorhead123]

What else is it about that would give Gavin the boost to overcome stat differential? Lol

Let’s pretend Msum ends up winning last 8 games and wins the north and overall nsic. There is an argument that Msum’s best player (which may be Baumgartner or Beeninga) should win the player of year in the north. Similar reason nobody talking about Kimmons from csp winning POY in south because team isn’t winning.

[Augieholic]

Surprised no one has mentioned John Sutherland from Bemidji in the North. Understand the love for Baumgartner and especially Masten.

But Sutherland's numbers are pretty impressive:

• 19.1 ppg
• 9.0 rpg
• 2.1 apg
• 60.9 FG%
• 64.3 FT%
• 31.4 min

Pretty salty numbers. I'd still go with Masten. Just thought Sutherland's accomplishments shouldn't be overlooked.

I wildly underestimated Bemidji before Saturday afternoon. That's a tough team who leans into their strengths.

[vikingfaithful]

Bigler was singing his praises last night when I told him they better not go to Bemidji and lose. I was quickly corrected that Bemidji is good and has a nice turnaround this season and that Sutherland was a top 5 player in the league

I will give John Sutherland his props. Augie is struggling this season, but the defense has been OK. Sutherland dropped 22 on the Viks, 10rebounds.

[MrMustang]

Surprised no one has mentioned John Sutherland from Bemidji in the North. Understand the love for Baumgartner and especially Masten.

But Sutherland's numbers are pretty impressive:

• 19.1 ppg
• 9.0 rpg
• 2.1 apg
• 60.9 FG%
• 64.3 FT%
• 31.4 min

Pretty salty numbers. I'd still go with Masten. Just thought Sutherland's accomplishments shouldn't be overlooked.

Bigler was singing his praises last night when I told him they better not go to Bemidji and lose. I was quickly corrected that Bemidji is good and has a nice turnaround this season and that Sutherland was a top 5 player in the league

[Blue Ridge Viking]

Surprised no one has mentioned John Sutherland from Bemidji in the North. Understand the love for Baumgartner and especially Masten.

But Sutherland's numbers are pretty impressive:

• 19.1 ppg
• 9.0 rpg
• 2.1 apg
• 60.9 FG%
• 64.3 FT%
• 31.4 min

Pretty salty numbers. I'd still go with Masten. Just thought Sutherland's accomplishments shouldn't be overlooked.

[Thunder]

I think Masten is clearly the North POY at this point. Not only are his numbers really good, I believe he is the most important player to his team in the conference. NSU is a different team when he isn’t on the floor. You might not find a bigger Baumgartner fan outside of Moorhead than me, but it’s not close in my opinion.

[NSU4LIFE]

Sam is certainly worthy - no disputing that - heckuva player. Gavin had a little better game in Marshall so maybe that tainted me

Haha, no worries. It's just an individual award so whatever happens, happens.

I used tousry to watch a lot of action now I dont even see all of Northern action. Like most things in life, we can only know and believe what we see, what we are told isn't always as believable for any number of reasons.

[MrMustang]

FWIW

Sam
17.7 ppg 9th in NSIC
6.8 rpg 10th in NSIC
6.6 apg 1st in NSIC
54.1 FG% 7th in NSIC
77.2 FT% 12th in NSIC
33.6 min 8th in NSIC

Gavin
13.2 ppg 25th in NSIC
4.1 rpg outside 25th in NSIC
3.8 apg 8th in NSIC
45.5 FG% 13th in NSIC*
86 FT% 5th in NSIC*
30.8 min outside 25th in NSIC

(*) where he would rank but hasn't hit the minimum to qualify in overall standings.

Sam is certainly worthy - no disputing that - heckuva player. Gavin had a little better game in Marshall so maybe that tainted me

[Stanger86]

I'd definitely give it to Sam of the two. For the record, Bigler believes Masten has been the best player in the league too.

(which should also boost McCray's DPOY case...)

[NSU4LIFE]

Yep if the award is only about the raw stats Sam should win. My guess is you could make an argument that Cartwright’s stats better than both. But I would still select Baumgartner and Sam over him if there was only one award. Raw stats shouldn’t be the whole story. But Sam is also certainly worthy. Blair stats from umd probably look better than both.

What else is it about that would give Gavin the boost to overcome stat differential? Lol

[Moorhead123]

FWIW

Sam
17.7 ppg 9th in NSIC
6.8 rpg 10th in NSIC
6.6 apg 1st in NSIC
54.1 FG% 7th in NSIC
77.2 FT% 12th in NSIC
33.6 min 8th in NSIC

Gavin
13.2 ppg 25th in NSIC
4.1 rpg outside 25th in NSIC
3.8 apg 8th in NSIC
45.5 FG% 13th in NSIC*
86 FT% 5th in NSIC*
30.8 min outside 25th in NSIC

(*) where he would rank but hasn't hit the minimum to qualify in overall standings.

Yep if the award is only about the raw stats Sam should win. My guess is you could make an argument that Cartwright’s stats better than both. But I would still select Baumgartner and Sam over him if there was only one award. Raw stats shouldn’t be the whole story. But Sam is also certainly worthy. Blair stats from umd probably look better than both.

[NSU4LIFE]

FWIW

Sam
17.7 ppg 9th in NSIC
6.8 rpg 10th in NSIC
6.6 apg 1st in NSIC
54.1 FG% 7th in NSIC
77.2 FT% 12th in NSIC
33.6 min 8th in NSIC

Gavin
13.2 ppg 25th in NSIC
4.1 rpg outside 25th in NSIC
3.8 apg 8th in NSIC
45.5 FG% 13th in NSIC*
86 FT% 5th in NSIC*
30.8 min outside 25th in NSIC

(*) where he would rank but hasn't hit the minimum to qualify in overall standings.