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  • D2 versus d1 close games 2019-2020

    Central Washington, picked to finish 6th in conference, defeats d1 Idaho 88-71

    D1 Illinois State gets by d2 Truman 74-68

  • #2
    Originally posted by Columbuseer View Post
    Central Washington, picked to finish 6th in conference, defeats d1 Idaho 88-71

    D1 Illinois State gets by d2 Truman 74-68
    Duke 69 NWMSU 63

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    • #3
      Originally posted by libertybearcat View Post

      Duke 69 NWMSU 63
      Congrats to NWMSU!
      I think it shows that basketball is more complex than the vertical jump and athletic ability of individuals.
      On a given night, a top level D2 school can hang with a high major D1 school.
      Duke has elite coaching and players.
      To offset the athetic talent, IMHO one has to be able to have a good night shooting threes relative to the D1 team.
      NWMSU hit 15-34 or 44%. Duke shot terriblly from three. (2-16)
      However, Duke caused 21 turnovers to committing 14.

      NWMSU only shot 4 FTs (2-4). Duke hit 13-22 FTs.

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      • #4
        SMSU vs. Gophers tomorrow night, albeit I'm not expecting much. It should be fun regardless.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Columbuseer View Post

          Congrats to NWMSU!
          I think it shows that basketball is more complex than the vertical jump and athletic ability of individuals.
          On a given night, a top level D2 school can hang with a high major D1 school.
          Duke has elite coaching and players.
          To offset the athetic talent, IMHO one has to be able to have a good night shooting threes relative to the D1 team.
          NWMSU hit 15-34 or 44%. Duke shot terriblly from three. (2-16)
          However, Duke caused 21 turnovers to committing 14.

          NWMSU only shot 4 FTs (2-4). Duke hit 13-22 FTs.
          Thought that Duke was getting calls NW wasn't at times thru the game...didn't really see NW getting calls that Duke wasn't at all. Usually, those even out thru the game. Of course, that could be the product of some homerism on my part.

          Duke looked pathetic from 3.

          Fun game to watch, NW play their arses off!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by libertybearcat View Post

            Thought that Duke was getting calls NW wasn't at times thru the game...didn't really see NW getting calls that Duke wasn't at all. Usually, those even out thru the game. Of course, that could be the product of some homerism on my part.

            Duke looked pathetic from 3.

            Fun game to watch, NW play their arses off!
            Coach k. Press conference. Very informative.
            reporters kept pressing for reason for close game...
            Coach said nwmsu is very very good team that plays 5 out offense which is not seen in Power 5. Said they can play with anyone and beat most of them...

            https://www.wralsportsfan.com/duke-m...ener/18724979/

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            • #7
              Lander women upend Clemson 74-72 on a buzzer beater by Miriam Recarte in an exhibition game

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              • #8
                Originally posted by laker View Post
                Lander women upend Clemson 74-72 on a buzzer beater by Miriam Recarte in an exhibition game
                If we're also talking Women's hoops...Pitt St beat KU 90-82! Also lost 97-63 to Arkansas.

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                • #9
                  Notre Dame (OH) deals DI Cleveland State an exhibition loss in men's basketball 69-64

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                  • #10
                    The midwest region has been having some pretty tight games this year. Highlights so far include:


                    Louisville 75 Bellarmine 65
                    Evansville 71 Southern Indiana 68 (OT)
                    Toledo 68 Findlay 75
                    Bowling Green 88 Findlay 80 (OT)
                    Illinois State 74 Truman State 68
                    Loyola Chicago 60 Indianapolis 65
                    Xavier 64 Indianapolis 52


                    Friday night, you can watch Bellarmine @ Notre Dame, USI @ Purdue, UIndy at Butler.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by schnautza View Post
                      The midwest region has been having some pretty tight games this year. Highlights so far include:


                      Louisville 75 Bellarmine 65
                      Evansville 71 Southern Indiana 68 (OT)
                      Toledo 68 Findlay 75
                      Bowling Green 88 Findlay 80 (OT)
                      Illinois State 74 Truman State 68
                      Loyola Chicago 60 Indianapolis 65
                      Xavier 64 Indianapolis 52


                      Friday night, you can watch Bellarmine @ Notre Dame, USI @ Purdue, UIndy at Butler.
                      Are these exhibition games or real games??

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                      • #12
                        I'm under the understanding that all of these we are talking about are exhibition games.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by schnautza View Post
                          I'm under the understanding that all of these we are talking about are exhibition games.
                          It is likely that d1 versus d2 will always be exhibition. Otherwise it would hurt the critical strength of schedule calculation to get into ncaa tournament. If even if d2 school is comparable, d2 teams usually play only 1 d1 team a year so there is insufficient sample size.

                          Some think exhibition, by definition, means d1 players are not trying hard to win. To answer that question one has to watch the game and make that assessment on a case by case basis. Most fans can tell if a team is not trying

                          Otherwise it is a circular argument.
                          d2 team loses? D1 will always win.
                          d2 team wins? D1 was not trying.
                          therefore d1 teams will always beat d2 teams.
                          example of a type of fallacious reasoning.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Columbuseer View Post

                            Congrats to NWMSU!
                            I think it shows that basketball is more complex than the vertical jump and athletic ability of individuals.
                            On a given night, a top level D2 school can hang with a high major D1 school.
                            Duke has elite coaching and players.
                            To offset the athetic talent, IMHO one has to be able to have a good night shooting threes relative to the D1 team.
                            NWMSU hit 15-34 or 44%. Duke shot terriblly from three. (2-16)
                            However, Duke caused 21 turnovers to committing 14.

                            NWMSU only shot 4 FTs (2-4). Duke hit 13-22 FTs.
                            Here are a couple of ways to tell how important Duke took the outcome of this game. By all accounts, Duke's team is going to largely revolve around their returning PG Tre Jones and three incoming freshmen (Carey, Hurt and Moore) with returning starters White, O'Connell and De'Lauerer as their 5th starter/primary depth along with another FR Stanley also as depth (although Duke will probably play a bunch of players). To close the game Coach K had his starting PG and team leader Jones on the bench as well as White, O'Connell and Delauerer opting instead to have deep bench players Robinson (1.2 PPG last year) and Goldwire (.9 PPG last season) on the floor at the end of the game. I'm sure both Goldwire and Robinson are fine individuals, but in a real Duke basketball game, they probably aren't going to sniff the court at the end of the game unless Duke is up by 40...Also doubt that in a real game, Coach K is going to have his starting PG and team leader sitting on the bench along with his 5th starter and all his primary depth at the end of a 6 point contest.

                            For comparison, NMSU started the game with Hudgins, Hawkins, Welty, Bernard and Finley as their starting 5...the five on the court at the end of the game were Hudgins, Hawkins, Welty, Bernard and Dreamer.

                            Bottom line, for NMSU this game was a big deal and they pulled out all the stops...For Duke this game was not a big deal and the players they had on the court reflected that.

                            Did Duke want to lose? No, Coach K and Duke NEVER want to lose. Was Coach K willing to do anything to win an exhibition game? Clearly the answer is no given the players he had on the court at the end of the game. At the end of the day, I think both teams got exactly what they wanted, NWMSU got the ability to crow about how they "almost" beat Duke AT Duke and Coach K got to see how his freshmen and a couple of end of the bench players respond in a "close" game. Also Coach K got an excellent "coaching point" to better focus a team that might be starting to believe their pre season hype. Worth noting that Duke beat DII Fort Valley State by 49 points last night.
                            Last edited by boatcapt; 11-01-2019, 08:02 AM.

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                            • #15
                              I can tell you that Evansville played an 8-man rotation (none of their freshmen), and USI was missing two starters. USI only attempted eight 3's all night and made only 2. The newly moved 3-pt line in D1, IMO, had a lot to do with that.

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