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  • #16
    Originally posted by laker View Post
    I wonder if we won't have more closings like this. State schools get bailed out when they have terrible management, but private ones have a much tougher time.
    Concordia-St. Paul will be taking over the Law School.

    Thought you might be interested in that bit of news.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by SW_Mustang View Post

      Yes. It's already happening, and it's very well documented. There are more extensive lists, but I found this one that tracks closures from 2016 onward:

      https://www.educationdive.com/news/tracker-college-and-university-closings-and-consolidation/539961/

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      t's really a perfect storm for higher education. So many factors are involved. First of all, there are way, way too many colleges in the US. The cost of tuition, books, fees, and cost-of-attendance is skyrocketing. The value of a Bachelor's Degree is diminishing quickly. Combine that with factors like online programs, free information on the internet, declining birth rates, and an over-saturation of college graduates from generations past leaving large employment gaps in trade industries - it's no wonder why schools are shutting down.

      Personally, I think higher education needs to go through an extensive reformation from the ground up in order to fix the problem. However, I think there are far too many smart people involved and that typically means no real change will happen. Realistically, the only "safe" institutions are the massive public and private universities, and the higher producing community colleges. Everyone else is fair game. It will be really interesting to see the landscape of higher ed in the next 20+ years.
      Haven't heard the devaluation of the bachelor's degree. The absolute last thing I want in this country are high school graduates managing businesses, doing my taxes, being lawyers, or even close to working in the health industry. Sorry, college takes work; high school not so much. We're dumb enough in this country, if it becomes a high school grad country only, I'm out. My god, really ... doctors, lawyers, businessmen, acountants with high school only degrees. What a sh-t show that would be.

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      • #18
        Last edited by Anchorage; 02-21-2020, 08:48 PM.

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        • #19
          Not a lot of Seattle area colleges to choose from. I'd guess it would be Bellevue College, a 2-year school that now has 4-year options. Northwest College, a very small NAIA school, would be the other one.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by SW_Mustang View Post

            Concordia-St. Paul will be taking over the Law School.

            Thought you might be interested in that bit of news.
            Interesting. Do you have a link to that?

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            • #21
              https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/...240467436.html

              The law school is in Boise because the University of Idaho (in my hometown) refused to move parts of its law school to Boise ... until Concordia came on board. One issue is the school lacks accreditation, not a really impressive law school, though it gets its share of applicants and enrollees.

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              • #22
                The conference needs to focus on getting some more football members, not a tiny religious school that draws 200 a game in hoops. I hope the commissioner sets his sights on the College of Idaho, Eastern Oregon, and Southern Oregon, legit schools with good athletic departments, and especially in SOU's and C of I's cases, well-funded athletically. They also draw pretty well at the gate and would give the GNAC some more clout. I'd also look at Carroll College in Montana, especially as a travel partner for Billings, and another excellent, well-funded NAIA program. Well, I've been spouting this for years, don't think it will happen.

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                • #23
                  Eastern Oregon is bringing back baseball next year; and they are in the process of doing some big facility improvements.

                  As tsull said above, many of us have been talking about these schools for years but maybe if the GNAC can get one to move up the dominoes will fall and the others will follow. Some have said these schools don't want to move up because of the travel. But, if the GNAC had more than 12 schools you can't really have a full double round-robin basketball schedule and a school would occasionally miss a year of going to Alaska. The NAIA Cascade and Frontier conferences combined cover the same footprint (except AK) as the GNAC and Carroll College, EOU, CofI, and SOU have at least one sport in each conference so they already have travel similar to what it would be in the GNAC. I will guess that there is also a good number of OOC games between the conferences which increases the similarities in travel to the GNAC.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Tech Boys View Post
                    Eastern Oregon is bringing back baseball next year; and they are in the process of doing some big facility improvements.

                    As tsull said above, many of us have been talking about these schools for years but maybe if the GNAC can get one to move up the dominoes will fall and the others will follow. Some have said these schools don't want to move up because of the travel. But, if the GNAC had more than 12 schools you can't really have a full double round-robin basketball schedule and a school would occasionally miss a year of going to Alaska. The NAIA Cascade and Frontier conferences combined cover the same footprint (except AK) as the GNAC and Carroll College, EOU, CofI, and SOU have at least one sport in each conference so they already have travel similar to what it would be in the GNAC. I will guess that there is also a good number of OOC games between the conferences which increases the similarities in travel to the GNAC.
                    Great post. Eastern Oregon is doing some great things right now. I've I heard they had more football scholarships than Western Oregon but can't confirm that. I've gotten in trouble for talking scholarship numbers before so I'll just kind of talked vaguely. Eastern Oregon has an indoor practice facility / fieldhouse. They have an out of state waiver for all students from Washington and Idaho. They have a good football coach, I've heard.

                    In football they have some 15-hour/one-way bus trips to the hinterlands of Montana. I'd rather take the freeway to Azusa Pacific. SOU and C of I are positioned even better, the latter currently No. 1 in the nation in NAIA men's hoops, and an undefeated regular season in football (with 24 scholarships).

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by laker View Post

                      Interesting. Do you have a link to that?
                      https://www.ktvb.com/mobile/article/...6-eca376aadb52

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by tsull View Post
                        https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/...240467436.html

                        The law school is in Boise because the University of Idaho (in my hometown) refused to move parts of its law school to Boise ... until Concordia came on board. One issue is the school lacks accreditation, not a really impressive law school, though it gets its share of applicants and enrollees.
                        You'd think "not impressive" and "lacking accreditation" would be deterrents from enrolling, but it's really not in this day and age.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by SW_Mustang View Post

                          You'd think "not impressive" and "lacking accreditation" would be deterrents from enrolling, but it's really not in this day and age.
                          How do I put this nicely: Most Boise people are afraid to leave the treasure valley. Many high school kids would rather go to a junior college than actually have to travel to go to a better university, that would include law schools.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by tsull View Post

                            How do I put this nicely: Most Boise people are afraid to leave the treasure valley. Many high school kids would rather go to a junior college than actually have to travel to go to a better university, that would include law schools.
                            That's kind of an odd mentality - around here, most kids try to get as far away as they can get. Usually only amounts to Sioux Falls or Mankato, but still...

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by SW_Mustang View Post

                              That's kind of an odd mentality - around here, most kids try to get as far away as they can get. Usually only amounts to Sioux Falls or Mankato, but still...
                              I grew up in North Idaho, went to college in Oregon, worked in Oregon and also lived in Washington. Worked some summers at different spots around the country, Baltimore, Los Angeles, Bay Area ... I live in Boise. This is by far the most provincial place I've ever lived. Kids who leave for college -- even great ones -- often come scampering back to Boise State. Knew a gal who had darn near a full ride to the University of Utah, and came rushing back to BSU, a school not in Utah's academic league. I think the provincialism comes from the fact that Boise is the most remote metro area in the 48 states as the nearest next metro area is Salt Lake City 5 hours away, and that's not that much different than here. A lot of people young and old in this area are very afraid of the world. It's very odd, I've never seen anything like it. Us outsiders call this place mockingly the COU: Center of the Universe.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by tsull View Post

                                How do I put this nicely: Most Boise people are afraid to leave the treasure valley. Many high school kids would rather go to a junior college than actually have to travel to go to a better university, that would include law schools.
                                Boise State is no longer a JC, at least in name.....

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