There's the B1G, and then there is everyone else

[Herb Street]

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I was talking about where athletes stay and go and how that applies to success, not the tv markets.

The Big 10 used to dominate, but since the BCS and now the College Football Playoff, it hasn't has as much success as far as winning championships. I don't know if teams like Nebraska can turn it around to be what they once were.

I can't speak for Nebraska's program per se, but overall I think the conference with all of the dough will end up on top.

[Eagle74]

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Since 2001 through 2017, only 4 National Champions have come from outside the southeastern states, and the conferences within the southeast also are now at the top at sending players to the NFL. The top 2 highest rated televised games ever, both involved teams from the southeast.
So yes, weather may have something to do with the recent trend and overall success of Division 1 football.

[Brandon]

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If weather and population trends were drivers, the PAC12 would be number one among the Power 5 instead of last.

In fact, the whole ranking would be inverted: PAC would be first, followed by the SEC, followed by the Big 12, followed by the ACC, followed by the Big 10.

I do believe that the B1G wants a southern footprint in OU and Texas, but due to national brands and further enhancement of the media deals, not because of population trends.

I was talking about where athletes stay and go and how that applies to success, not the tv markets.

The Big 10 used to dominate, but since the BCS and now the College Football Playoff, it hasn't has as much success as far as winning championships. I don't know if teams like Nebraska can turn it around to be what they once were.

[wscsuperfan]

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The B1G won't add anyone further from the ACC. There's no one from the ACC that brings compelling added value to the conference in terms of media. If they wanted good football they would have gone after Florida State or Clemson. If they wanted good basketball, they would have poached NC or Duke. That's not what the B1G wanted. They wanted big media markets.

They won't add any SEC schools. But they are holding two spots for OU and Texas you can count on it.

Charlotte is the #22 media market and Raleigh-Durham is #24 in the nation. The Big Ten would take those eyeballs in a heartbeat and help spread the BTN south. Georgia Tech in Atlanta is the #10 TV market and the "capital" of SEC football, Delany would absolutely love to get a Big Ten presence there. And then there are the Florida markets (and recruits).

I don't think it'll ever happen, but there are some ACC options the Big Ten would love to have.

[Herb Street]

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Agree. If the B1G gets a foothold in the south central with two flagship universities, the league changes considerably. Texas and OU are the most likely targets because both bring in the state of Texas, and both will be looking at their options a few years before the GOR expires. Neither of those schools is getting the piece of pie that they could elsewhere.

[BlueBlood]

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When the B1G added UMD and RU, everyone saw the media / TV $ play. However, they also added some pretty nice recruiting territory to the conference footprint. Sure, its not FL/CA/TX/GA quality, but both MD and NJ are in that next tier, plus you get DC and strengthen your positioning for all kids north of PA/NJ and in VA.

https://www.sbnation.com/college-foo...state-rankings

[catatonic]

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If weather and population trends were drivers, the PAC12 would be number one among the Power 5 instead of last.

In fact, the whole ranking would be inverted: PAC would be first, followed by the SEC, followed by the Big 12, followed by the ACC, followed by the Big 10.

I do believe that the B1G wants a southern footprint in OU and Texas, but due to national brands and further enhancement of the media deals, not because of population trends.

[Herb Street]

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Weather and population trends are a factor too.

If weather and population trends were drivers, the PAC12 would be number one among the Power 5 instead of last.

In fact, the whole ranking would be inverted: PAC would be first, followed by the SEC, followed by the Big 12, followed by the ACC, followed by the Big 10.

I do believe that the B1G wants a southern footprint in OU and Texas, but due to national brands and further enhancement of the media deals, not because of population trends.

[Brandon]

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The ACC is in fourth place among the Power 5 conferences in media payouts - averaging from $25-30 million per year per program. That is anywhere from 40 to 50 percent less than the B1G, depending on which ACC school you're looking at.

While they are indeed in some major media markets technically, there's not enough panache to have any hope of closing that gap. Georgia Tech, Syracuse, and Pitt are in major markets but have a poor following. Clemson and Florida State are national brands for sure. VA and VA Tech are quite regional. Duke only brings basketball to the table, and almost the same for NC, NC State, and Wake - just not a lot of national interest there.

I don't see Notre Dame hitching their wagon to any conference, but if they did, it would be the B1G, and for the same reason that Texas and OU will in a few years. Dollars.

In terms of conference competitiveness, that is another issue entirely. But as the dollars begin to shift to the richest conference, competitiveness is also inevitably shifting, as it always does in the world of sports. He who has the gold rules.

Weather and population trends are a factor too.

[Eagle74]

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The ACC is in fourth place among the Power 5 conferences in media payouts - averaging from $25-30 million per year per program. That is anywhere from 40 to 50 percent less than the B1G, depending on which ACC school you're looking at.

I don't see Notre Dame hitching their wagon to any conference, but if they did, it would be the B1G, and for the same reason that Texas and OU will in a few years. Dollars.

The very recent B1G media contract is nice, but it's going to be one of many announced in the near future, and it wouldn't surprise me to see some conference's media deals surpass the latest B1G one. However, for the time being, it's worth gloating about;)

In reference to Notre Dame, they have already successfully hitched their wagon to the ACC as a conference member for all sports other than football, and they are presently scheduling 4 to 6 ACC teams on their football schedule each season. Their alliance to the ACC is getting pretty strong, and in their new media deal, if the ACC ends up being able to offer more than 15 million per year (their present NBC contract through 2025) they could also bring their football program into the fold.

[Herb Street]

Re: There's the B1G, and then there is everyone else

The ACC is in fourth place among the Power 5 conferences in media payouts - averaging from $25-30 million per year per program. That is anywhere from 40 to 50 percent less than the B1G, depending on which ACC school you're looking at.

While they are indeed in some major media markets technically, there's not enough panache to have any hope of closing that gap. Georgia Tech, Syracuse, and Pitt are in major markets but have a poor following. Clemson and Florida State are national brands for sure. VA and VA Tech are quite regional. Duke only brings basketball to the table, and almost the same for NC, NC State, and Wake - just not a lot of national interest there.

I don't see Notre Dame hitching their wagon to any conference, but if they did, it would be the B1G, and for the same reason that Texas and OU will in a few years. Dollars.

In terms of conference competitiveness, that is another issue entirely. But as the dollars begin to shift to the richest conference, competitiveness is also inevitably shifting, as it always does in the world of sports. He who has the gold rules.

[Eagle74]

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The ACC (which has large broad metro markets such as Florida / Miami - Florida State, Boston, Atlanta, New York, North Carolina / UNC - NC State- Duke - Wake Forest, Virginia / UVA - VA Tech, Pittsburgh, Louisville, 1/2 of SC, with Clemson). and other prime football conferences (SEC) are also negotiating new media deals, so we haven't seen a max plateau of deals as of yet. The SEC and ACC are ranked as the two top conferences in the nation in sending players to the NFL.

On a side note, Notre Dame is aligning themselves with the ACC and that may develop even more in the future, which could effect future media $$$ deals.

[Herb Street]

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The B1G is an athletic conference, and they desire to be the NFL/MLB/NBA/NHL/Olympics of college sports. They are well on their way.

The B1G isn't concerned about OU's AAU status. The conference already has a media deal that's 30 percent higher than the SEC. When the B1G bags OU and Texas, it's "game over" for everyone else. Maybe not from a competitive standpoint right away, but within a decade, no one would even be close. Players want to play in the biggest stadiums, go to school at the best campuses, and be on national TV every week throughout the fall. They want to go where they get treated like kings and queens. Schools with $52 million annual TV revenue do that better. Even Purdue.

Oh and I live in SEC country and hate the Sooners and Whorns both. But reality is reality. The train left the station a few years back.

[catatonic]

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The med school is a separate campus/school within the university system. That's a big reason for the drop.

As far as OU goes, the Big Ten would take a big, name brand football school in a heartbeat whether they are AAU members or not

OU has AAU aspirations and has made substantial progress toward that goal. And you better believe the BIG would take one of the Blue Bloods of college foootball with or without AAU membership.

[wscsuperfan]

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The med school is a separate campus/school within the university system. That's a big reason for the drop.

As far as OU goes, the Big Ten would take a big, name brand football school in a heartbeat whether they are AAU members or not