2018 NC NOT in KC??

[IM N GUD H&NZ BEARCAT]

Re: 2018 NC NOT in KC??

TAMC was one of the top D2 schools for average attendance in 2017, UWF was in the top 25. There is no reason to expect the attendance to be below average.

Like most above average playing D2 schools, if you look at TAMC box score attendance for away games (especially for November on), it's average to below average attendance.

You find a championship site, whether it's played in consecutive weekends or an extra week in between, a team has to be reasonably close to have great attendance numbers.

Move it to Florida and see what happens with a Central Washington and Minnesota Crookston finale.

[UNA_Texan]

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You seriously question why the attendance was low last year? You realize who was playing right?

TAMC was one of the top D2 schools for average attendance in 2017, UWF was in the top 25. There is no reason to expect the attendance to be below average.

[whodat]

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You seriously question why the attendance was low last year? You realize who was playing right?

No, I get that, although you would think the Cinderella team would have more fans there. But it does fly in the face of MIAA-ville having super-strong D2 general interest. It also contradicts strong LSC support, which would not be an awful drive for them. Mostly, these are all data points that need to be paid attention to.

[UNA_Texan]

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I think if you live in a warm weather state going somewhere cold is not a thought that crosses your mind, hell, wife wants to go on an Alaskan cruise and I cringe.:crying:
just look at us Texans when it starts to get below 60.

Alaska is one of the nicest cruises I have ever taken, and we have done 30+ cruises.

We escorted a running club from San Antonio to Iceland during a record snowfall, and enjoyed it thoroughly.

Traveling to cold is great!

Sitting in cold to watch a football game, not so much.

[BearcatDude]

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Very interesting detail right here. Changes the perspective on Florida a bit, since I think a lot of people would fly to Orlando (maybe?) to get to Daytona. I still think this is a promotional (or lack thereof) issue. I've never seen any promotion to go to a D2 Championship game, and we are on school mailing lists.

So why the significant drop in 2017?

You seriously question why the attendance was low last year? You realize who was playing right?

[SkegeeGrad151]

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I'm a little late to the thread and sorry if this is has been said but what about having the game at Georgia State Stadium (Atlanta, GA) in the future. Looks like a nice stadium.

https://stadium.gsu.edu/

[Brandon Misener]

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I think if you live in a warm weather state going somewhere cold is not a thought that crosses your mind, hell, wife wants to go on an Alaskan cruise and I cringe.:crying:
just look at us Texans when it starts to get below 60.

I have some good friends from TAMUK that were absolutely miserable in 35 degree weather that Missourians have no problem with at all.

[GWolf]

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NO!!!! West coast Liberalism would ruin everything that is good about D2 football!

No, but asinine political comments on the boards just might.

[marvda1]

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I think if you live in a warm weather state going somewhere cold is not a thought that crosses your mind, hell, wife wants to go on an Alaskan cruise and I cringe.:crying:
just look at us Texans when it starts to get below 60.

[UNA_Texan]

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Very interesting detail right here. Changes the perspective on Florida a bit, since I think a lot of people would fly to Orlando (maybe?) to get to Daytona. I still think this is a promotional (or lack thereof) issue. I've never seen any promotion to go to a D2 Championship game, and we are on school mailing lists.

So why the significant drop in 2017?

The West Florida fans were already in Florida...I am assured that is the place to be! ;-)

[Brandon Misener]

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That's because one of the playing teams fans were a drive away from the game.:wink:

Yup, I'll keep beating that drum. Also, extend the time from the semi's to the NC to at least 2 weeks to allow for planning. FCS does it, I think D3 does it, why not D2?

Honestly, there are 2 issues.. fan and athletes. They aren't in opposition, but some solutions will favor the fan experience and others the players'. My gut says that many a player might give up a bit of the "player" experience to get more of their fans in the seats.. especially students. However, not every school has that large of a student body. Still, if there is a good crowd at a semi, that does show there is fan interest.

I agree with a ton of what you wrote.

That was one of the problems with Florence. Many times it was anticlimactic after a packed and raucous semifinal game. The same thing could happen to KC as well depending on the participants, but at least the stadium made everything feel big time.

[Brandon Misener]

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Very interesting detail right here. Changes the perspective on Florida a bit, since I think a lot of people would fly to Orlando (maybe?) to get to Daytona. I still think this is a promotional (or lack thereof) issue. I've never seen any promotion to go to a D2 Championship game, and we are on school mailing lists.

So why the significant drop in 2017?

Well when evaluating Daytona we do have to realize that NAIA crowds are typically smaller anyway. But, the Florida attendance fallacy needed to be put to rest.

I 100% agree with you about promotion. I thought that was the weakest part of what was happening in KC. I think the folks in Florence knew about it because it had been there so long and because they could get so much local cooperation with the media to promote it. Advertisement probably costs 10x in Kansas City what it cost in Florence.

I think the drop in 2017 was because the participants were from so far away, which is why I don't think Florida would be successful. West Florida basically brought no one to Kansas City. I was also disappointed in the Commerce turnout. I was hoping for more from them.

[Redwing]

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One other thing about the "debacle" comment. The attendance record for the championship game was set in Kansas City. Hardly a debacle.

That's because one of the playing teams fans were a drive away from the game.:wink:
Yup, I'll keep beating that drum. Also, extend the time from the semi's to the NC to at least 2 weeks to allow for planning. FCS does it, I think D3 does it, why not D2?

Honestly, there are 2 issues.. fan and athletes. They aren't in opposition, but some solutions will favor the fan experience and others the players'. My gut says that many a player might give up a bit of the "player" experience to get more of their fans in the seats.. especially students. However, not every school has that large of a student body. Still, if there is a good crowd at a semi, that does show there is fan interest.

[whodat]

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I was willing to believe your comments about Daytona, but when I started doing research......

NAIA Championship Game in Daytona Beach

2017 - 4,432 & 63 degrees (highest attendance with a team from Georgia in the game)
2016 - 2,500 & 81 degrees
2015 - 3,500 & 63 degrees
2014 - 1,941 & 75 degrees

In comparison, those same years:

D2 Championship Game in Kansas City, KS

2017 - 4,259 & 61 degrees
2016 - 9,576 & 32 degrees
2015 - 16,181 & 54 degrees
2014 - 6,762 & 45 degrees

Dayton four year average: 3,093 & 70 degrees
KC four year average: 9,194 & 48 degrees

In addition, the NAIA has an off week between the semifinals and the championship.

Very interesting detail right here. Changes the perspective on Florida a bit, since I think a lot of people would fly to Orlando (maybe?) to get to Daytona. I still think this is a promotional (or lack thereof) issue. I've never seen any promotion to go to a D2 Championship game, and we are on school mailing lists.

So why the significant drop in 2017?

[Brandon Misener]

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One other thing about the "debacle" comment. The attendance record for the championship game was set in Kansas City. Hardly a debacle.