AFCA Division II Top 25 (10/22)

[Boohaha]

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They have an average spread of 31+ points in all of their D2 games. Yes, the teams they play have not been winning. That doesn't mean they are a bad team or not rankable.

I will also take the lack of an answer to the question about if you had seen them play. I also put some stock into the D2Football poll. I think CWU will get into the playoffs, if they win out, and they can make a run in the playoffs. While their D is down from last year, the offense is much improved. They can pound the ball and that helps come playoff time.

And you are picking TAMUK to bet WTAMU?

Yes Duke carter is out, Hougtling cant throw, kingsville has heart. i have caught glimpses of their play this year. Its them vs high school teams. Tarleton is putting those numbers up vs much better competition, including commerce, Mines went up 21-0 vs AZUSA and coasted to a win. Im not saying Eastern is better than CWU cause Wt beat CWU and ENMU beat WT, thats not the argument. Im saying the teams CWU has beaten have been garbage for the most part, and that all indicators point to their record being a representation of how bad their competition has been, not how good they are.

Still if WT wins thats a loss vs a 6-5 team that lost to every other team with a winning record they played. CWU SOS is going to be terrible. CWU's opponents wins are still going to just be 14 wins for opponents, 20 for their schedule. 15, and 21 if Western Oregon beats ENMU.

[KleShreen]

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I think Tarleton in front makes sense with being undefeated and dominating their entire schedule. I know the GV loss was close and a great game to a great opponent, but still a loss I guess.

Just doesn't seem to make sense based on last week. Beat an RV team, move down despite that same team still being an RV team.

I agree Tarleton should be ahead, but it seems like that should have happened last week when they beat Commerce, but it didn't. GV was ahead of them last week, beat a "better" team this week based on the opinion of these same voters, and moved down.

[Boohaha]

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Yet ENMU fans argued just today that despite being down something like 31-0 at halftime to Mesa, they are only a few plays away from only having 1 loss? I guess if those few plays are every scoring play for the opposition you have a point...

Hey you be quiet!

[Turbonium]

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Just doesn't seem to make sense based on last week. Beat an RV team, move down despite that same team still being an RV team.

I agree Tarleton should be ahead, but it seems like that should have happened last week when they beat Commerce, but it didn't. GV was ahead of them last week, beat a "better" team this week based on the opinion of these same voters, and moved down.

Agreed, the timing is strange.

[Runnin' Cat]

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Yes Duke carter is out, Hougtling cant throw, kingsville has heart. i have caught glimpses of their play this year. Its them vs high school teams. Tarleton is putting those numbers up vs much better competition, including commerce, Mines went up 21-0 vs AZUSA and coasted to a win. Im not saying Eastern is better than CWU cause Wt beat CWU and ENMU beat WT, thats not the argument. Im saying the teams CWU has beaten have been garbage for the most part, and that all indicators point to their record being a representation of how bad their competition has been, not how good they are.

Still if WT wins thats a loss vs a 6-5 team that lost to every other team with a winning record they played. CWU SOS is going to be terrible. CWU's opponents wins are still going to just be 14 wins for opponents, 20 for their schedule. 15, and 21 if Western Oregon beats ENMU.

For the sake of argument, how do you stand on TAMUC, which barely beat TAMUK? Is that kind of a bad win?

I just realized arguing about these polls is like arguing that an MLB player isn't worth his salary.

[Horror Child]

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So a team should be punished for winning games? You can only play the teams on your schedule.

Have you seen a CWU game? Aside from WTAMU?

Happens all the time. More so in the polls, but also happens in the regional rankings.

[Boohaha]

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For the sake of argument, how do you stand on TAMUC, which barely beat TAMUK? Is that kind of a bad win?

I just realized arguing about these polls is like arguing that an MLB player isn't worth his salary.

Its not great, but its also 1st game of the season.

Commerce has not been great this year either. And their schedule is only a little better right now.

[Runnin' Cat]

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Its not great, but its also 1st game of the season.

Commerce has not been great this year either. And their schedule is only a little better right now.

At what point do games start to count, if not the first one?

I guess using your "logic", CWU's loss to WTAMU is forgivable since it was the home opener in a remodeled facility and the kids just didn't handle the emotional aspect well....

I find it interesting how you can argue in this manner, yet excuse where you feel the need.

[Wildcat Khan]

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Loosing to WT was bad, WT controlled the game from the start, the only time they trailed was after CWU first score and thats because WT couldnt get an extra point to save their lives(1-4 for the game).

CWU turned the ball over twice.

If WT was better that game at their xps its a 5 point swing in their favor and the score is 33-24 with 7 of CWUs points comming in garbage time.

The turnovers hurt CWU, but you said they were beaten badly. That means a 2 point loss is being beaten badly, which makes only a 1 point loss a close loss. I'm sorry you don't see what you typed, unless you meant it was a bad loss and not beaten badly.

As well, you seem to think D1-FCS losses count in regional rankings even though they don't. If NDSU lost to Alabama, should they be kept out of the D1-FCS playoffs? That is the equivalent kind of loss. As it is, EWU lost to the #14/13 team in D1-FBS and they are still #4 also with a loss to Weber State in conference as well. In your world, they shouldn't be ranked at all.

[dvaara]

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lol GVSU dropped a spot in the poll even though they beat a team that was receiving votes last week (and is still receiving votes).

not as funny though as 2 ranked gliac teams and 4 former gliac teams ranked in top 25

although since this is exactly what we said would happen maybe it isnt funny?

[KleShreen]

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not as funny though as 2 ranked gliac teams and 4 former gliac teams ranked in top 25

although since this is exactly what we said would happen maybe it isnt funny?

LOL

That's incredible. Every team that has left the GLIAC in the last four years because they were getting stomped is ranked or receiving votes besides Walsh and Malone. And then UIndy from just a little after that. Crazy how that happens, huh?

[chargerblue]

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LOL

That's incredible. Every team that has left the GLIAC in the last four years because they were getting stomped is ranked or receiving votes besides Walsh and Malone. And then UIndy from just a little after that. Crazy how that happens, huh?

Of the ranked teams, only Notre Dame College left the GLIAC because "they were getting stomped". They couldn't leave fast enough.
Don't leave out the Mighty Storm of Lake Erie College who after leaving the GLIAC has gone on to reach new depths as likely the worst team in Division II.

Hillsdale, Tiffin, ODU, and Findlay were 75-58 combined from 2014 to 2016...hardly getting "stomped". Heck, ODU was 26-9 over that stretch. Even if you take those numbers out, the other three are an even 49-49. Do you guys keep this dead horse in a Lubbers Stadium concession stand freezer for convenient beating or is it in an easy-to-access shallow grave out by the Jesus station's TV tower?

[4nick8]

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Of the ranked teams, only Notre Dame College left the GLIAC because "they were getting stomped". They couldn't leave fast enough.
Don't leave out the Mighty Storm of Lake Erie College who after leaving the GLIAC has gone on to reach new depths as likely the worst team in Division II.

Hillsdale, Tiffin, ODU, and Findlay were 75-58 combined from 2014 to 2016...hardly getting "stomped". Heck, ODU was 26-9 over that stretch. Even if you take those numbers out, the other three are an even 49-49. Do you guys keep this dead horse in a Lubbers Stadium concession stand freezer for convenient beating or is it in an easy-to-access shallow grave out by the Jesus station's TV tower?

Now now blue. Rein it in. We all know Mary and Crookston are playing for that title distinction on the last day of the NSIC season:victory:

[chargerblue]

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Now now blue. Rein it in. We all know Mary and Crookston are playing for that title distinction on the last day of the NSIC season:victory:

Quite true. Although getting outscored at a 45-10 clip through 7 games is nothing to overlook.

[dvaara]

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LOL

That's incredible. Every team that has left the GLIAC in the last four years because they were getting stomped is ranked or receiving votes besides Walsh and Malone. And then UIndy from just a little after that. Crazy how that happens, huh?

amazing how teams get better when they leave the conference