Silos should get a limited amount of teams into the playoffs

[boyblue]

I'm proposing a limit of two teams because I doubt they'd agree to only one. If it were left to me they'd get just one team in.

[bigsig50]

*lights match, throws it
*run like hell

[Runnin' Cat]

Just a thought....is DII the only level of football that has silo schedule conferences?

[Inkblot]

Just a thought....is DII the only level of football that has silo schedule conferences?

The Heart of America Athletic Conference in the NAIA has a silo schedule. (So does the NESCAC in D3, but they don't compete in the playoffs.)

[Rational Observer]

If we are going to talk dream playoff scenarios, give me automatic qualifying for conference champs with the regional rankings determining at large bids and seeding.

Beyond that, why should a silo schedule matter other than schedule boredom?

[Redwing]

If we are going to talk dream playoff scenarios, give me automatic qualifying for conference champs with the regional rankings determining at large bids and seeding.

Beyond that, why should a silo schedule matter other than schedule boredom?

I think it matters since it becomes pretty difficult to compare silo with teams from other conferences. Unfortunately, it's a numbers game and with silos, the numbers don't mean as much.

[Rational Observer]

I think it matters since it becomes pretty difficult to compare silo with teams from other conferences. Unfortunately, it's a numbers game and with silos, the numbers don't mean as much.

Would not a playoff among conference champs be a comparison of teams from different conferences?

The regional nature of D-II football discourages cross-regional matchups among national powers, unfortunately, We only get to see such games deep into the playoffs. In SR2, we have two inter-conference regular season rematches this week. A little variety at least in the playoffs would be nice.

[Brandon]

He means for comparison of teams that aren't conference champions.

[Redwing]

He means for comparison of teams that aren't conference champions.

And, maybe I missed his point, but I was also thinking about playoff selections. How can one compare how weak or strong a conference is if the only teams played are in said conference? And really, even only one OOC game/season/team may not help that much... but it is better than zero out of conf. play.

[Rational Observer]

Out of conference games only matter if they are relevant out of conference games. VSU has been forced to play teams like Edward Waters to fill out a schedule. UWA has played Concordia. UNA was having a hard time scheduling OOC games. Those are just a few examples.

Suppose you get two powers from differing SRs to play each other in the regular season. It is fun for the fans, but if the regional rankings give weight to in-region games, teams are risking a loss that will hurt them for a win that won't help them as much.

Arguing over who the sixth and seventh teams should be is an argument not to have six or seven teams in a playoff.

[Redwing]

Out of conference games only matter if they are relevant out of conference games. VSU has been forced to play teams like Edward Waters to fill out a schedule. UWA has played Concordia. UNA was having a hard time scheduling OOC games. Those are just a few examples.

Suppose you get two powers from differing SRs to play each other in the regular season. It is fun for the fans, but if the regional rankings give weight to in-region games, teams are risking a loss that will hurt them for a win that won't help them as much.

Arguing over who the sixth and seventh teams should be is an argument not to have six or seven teams in a playoff.

What about determining who is 1 and 2? Say 2 silo conf teams go undefeated. How is it best to determine #1? IMO, the current criteria does nothing to resolve this. True, one OOC MAY not help differentiate, but it would be different when each team in the conf plays an OOC game. And ALL d2 contests are figured in for SOS.

And FWIW, you raised a good point about playing out of region. It makes little sense to use ANY in region performance for a metric. In SR3, there is only one conf available to be an opponent. 2 are silo Conf, leaving only 1 to play.

[Boohaha]

Out of conference games only matter if they are relevant out of conference games. VSU has been forced to play teams like Edward Waters to fill out a schedule. UWA has played Concordia. UNA was having a hard time scheduling OOC games. Those are just a few examples.

Suppose you get two powers from differing SRs to play each other in the regular season. It is fun for the fans, but if the regional rankings give weight to in-region games, teams are risking a loss that will hurt them for a win that won't help them as much.

Arguing over who the sixth and seventh teams should be is an argument not to have six or seven teams in a playoff.

There has been too many times that a low seeded team made it to the regional championship game and won it to say we need 2 fewer teams in the playoffs.

If anything expanding the field to 8 per region and eliminating the in region wins criteria would go a long way to fixing things.

The other thing that would help is dropping your lowest record wins over 9 d2 games, in other words if you play a full 11 game d2 schedule you can only count the wins from the 9 teams with the best records. If you have wins over a winless team and a 1 win team, they get dropped. Its stupid that teams can get the benefit of 11 d2 games by playing really soft teams, but you can't count d1aa games.

So teams like say Commerce who only played 10 d2 games and Souix Falls and Augusta who has a conference only

Under these criteria Commerce would be 7-2, as would Augusta, Souix Falls would be 6-3

This allows teams to be evaluated on true strength of their schedules, esp their wins, and eliminates a huge part of Silo scheduling advantage, without it Souix falls has 3 loses just like Commerce but gets credit for 4 of those 9 wins are from a winless team, 2 two win teams and a 3 win team. Commerce has 8 wins and 2 losses with their 4 worst record wins being 1 win, 2 wins, 4 and 5 wins. If we drop the lowest 2 you now are comparing a 6-3 with their worst win vs 2 win team versus a team that is 7-2 and their worst win is a 4 win team.
Now compare Commerce to Augusta, at 9 best games they both end up 7-2 Augusta has 7 wins with their worst wins against teams that won 2 and 3 games respectively. by dropping those worst two wins over 9 total d2 games it let's us compared apples to apples better and eliminates the "11 d2" advantage.

[Predatory Primates]

Most of the MIAA fans have been saying this forever. Heck Brandon wants Silo conference to be ineligible for the PO's altogether.

[twolfbenchwarmer]

[Boohaha]

In SR4 and 3 at this time of year weather is a HUGE factor, allowing the NSIC and others in the north to get the 1 seed and make everyone go there without any outside measurement is major advantage for them.