omicron covid variation and playoffs

[BillyGV]

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. Pure gold.

am I to believe that via your reaction you somehow think that a belief in God stops one from studying and following science - you couldn't be more wrong - SCIENCE means Knowledge and a belief in God is a desire to gain Knowledge - from the study of both the physical (science) and spiritual (God) one hopes to gain Wisdom - wisdom is hard to achieve with small & narrow thinking

[GoneBlastin]

COVID cases, are mainly among unvaccinated people. An Associated Press headlineCOVID-19 are unvaccinated, ABC News
citizens against the virus. Now it has one of the highest daily infection rates and the majority of people catching the virus (77 percent to 83 percent, depending on age) are already vaccinated, according to data collected by the Israeli
The nurse told me (the reporterme and the mainstream media reports? For one thing, it is very hard to get any kind of accuracy when it comes to actual numbers. In fact, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) have publicly acknowledged that they do not have accurate data. As reported by the Associated Press,
Arbor, Michigan. But what we do know, Neuenschwander says, is that the vaccines are not as effective as public health officials told us they would be.
In countries with the highest numbers of vaccinated individuals, we are also seeing high numbers of infections. Iceland has one of the most vaccinated populations in the world (over 82 percent) and is reporting that 77 percent of new COVID cases are in fully vaccinated IcelandersHealth.
According to news reports, over 85 percent of the Israeli adult population has been vaccinated. But a July report from only 39 percent effective.
Dr. Peter McCullough, an academic internist and cardiologist in practice in Dallas, Texas, says that a large number of patients in the hospitals right now have, indeed, been fully vaccinated.
Other physicians are seeing the same thing. says Dr. Jeffrey I. Barke, a board-certified primary care physician based in Newport Beach, California. Barke believes part of the problem is exaggeration of the efficacy:

You could make a heck of a pie with all the cherries you picked. Even then it would be a pie that lacks context. Of course you would expect in countries like Israel and Iceland where nearly everyone has been vaccinated, that most, if not nearly all of those that do get it were vaccinated, for example. What would be more prescient is to look at the corresponding fatalities per 100k or hospital bed availability in this instance. This would give you a better measure of vaccine efficacy... that is unless you are trying to select data that only proves your point that vaccines don't work.

[NWFanatic]

[Runnin' Cat]

No severe COVID cases among vaccinated patients infected with omicron, top Israeli expert says - Israel News - Haaretz.com

It is pretty simple. If you are vaccinated, you have a much better chance of not getting infested. If you do get infected, you have a significantly larger chance of not getting sick and being hospitalized.

I have had several customers, ranchers and farmers, choose not to get vaccinated. This year alone, I have had five of them die from Covid. Among people that I know that have been vaccinated and later got infected, none of them have died.

The science is very clear.

[Wide_Right]

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It is pretty simple. If you are vaccinated, you have a much better chance of not getting infested. If you do get infected, you have a significantly larger chance of not getting sick and being hospitalized.
, choose not to get vaccinated. This year alone, I have had five of them die from Covid. Among people that I know that have been vaccinated and later got infected, none of them have died.

The science is very clear.

all preventable. Yes, the science is clear, but not to some.

[Runnin' Cat]

Natural Immunity is the immunity one gets after they have had been exposed to a virus - your body naturally produces its own immunity for future exposures to the same virus - natural immunity has nothing to do with God, other than it is the system God created in us - please learn your science folks

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[bigmrg74]

Natural Immunity is the immunity one gets after they have had been exposed to a virus - your body naturally produces its own immunity for future exposures to the same virus - natural immunity has nothing to do with God, other than it is the system God created in us - please learn your science folks

You took classes on the other side of the bridge at GVSC didn't you??

[NWFanatic]

Not football but DePaul had to forfeit their Big East Conference game against Creighton scheduled for 12/20 due to covid.

[BillyGV]

No severe COVID cases among vaccinated patients infected with omicron, top Israeli expert says - Israel News - Haaretz.com

It is pretty simple. If you are vaccinated, you have a much better chance of not getting infested. If you do get infected, you have a significantly larger chance of not getting sick and being hospitalized.

I have had several customers, ranchers and farmers, choose not to get vaccinated. This year alone, I have had five of them die from Covid. Among people that I know that have been vaccinated and later got infected, none of them have died.

The science is very clear.

There appears not to be any severe omicron cases hardly ANYWHERE but lots of cases none the less - so why are there lots of cases especially with so many being vaccinated around the world - lets look at Denmark where 84% have been vaccinated and of those 97% are fully vaccinated and 25% of those having 3 shots - they have provided their omicron data as of December 13 (Statens Serum Institute DHA) - a good test case - their total omicron cases are 7,746 - of those total cases only 739 cases were with unvaccinated people - 7,007 cases were with the vaccinated population, that's over 90% of the cases in Denmark - clearly, this is showing that those vaccinated are somehow more susceptible to getting this new variant - same thing studies showed with Delta - this was the concern of many scientists (including the scientist that discovered it) that this mRNA vaccine would cause more cases, possibly more severe, in those that were vaccinated with it - a "leaky" vaccine - for those of you who want to say that "of course there will be more vaccinated getting the virus because there are more people vaccinated then unvaccinated" - you don't understand statistics - IF you look at the Relative Risk Ratio of getting the disease whether vaccinated or unvaccinated it would give you the real picture - thankfully Denmark provided that, there data shows that there is an 80% INCREASED Relative Risk of getting the omicron virus IF you are vaccinated verses being unvaccinated - so taking the vaccine has inherent additional risks besides the many others listed in prior studies - it has the added risk of getting the virus again, and potentially again, and again, etc. - unfortunately, that is what is happening in Denmark, the cases of REINFECTION are skyrocketing - as if it is a completely different virus - antibodies in the body are not fighting off this variant, just like the Delta variant - this is NOT good news, not at all

It may be looking like these new variants are Antibody Dependent Enhanced (ADE) which is simply put, the virus achieves greater strength and circumvents the vaccine so a new vaccine must be developed to stop it - it gets ENHANCED by the antibody produced by the vaccine - or it could be Antigenetic Escape which would not necessarily show that the virus was stronger but rather it would be a sign the vaccine was sub-standard or just to weak to hold up and that could be the case with all the break-through cases - in a typical virus the evolution is downward, to a less virulent strain - but in this case in Denmark it could be showing a case of ADE where the vaccine can increase the virulence and cause more harm - this has happened before in human history, one was developed in the past that killed more people then it saved, obviously they stopped using it - some examples:

Marek's Disease (Disease in Chickens)
US National Library of Medicine / National Institutes of Health, Mar 2020 - Latest Insights into Marek's Disease Virus Pathogenesis and Tumorigenesis "Even though the current gold standard vaccine efficiently protects against clinical disease, the virus continuously evolves towards higher virulence. Emerging field strains were able to overcome the protection provided by the previous two vaccine generations."

The Cutter incident
On April 12, 1955 the government announced the first vaccine to protect kids against polio. Within days, labs had made thousands of lots of the vaccine. Batches made by one company, Cutter Labs, accidentally contained live polio virus and it caused an outbreak. More than 200,000 children got the polio vaccine, but within days the government had to abandon the program. "Forty thousand kids got polio. Some had low levels, a couple hundred were left with paralysis, and about 10 died,"

The epidemic that never was
In 1976, scientists predicted a pandemic of a new strain of influenza called swine flu. More than 40 years later, some historians call it "flu epidemic that never was." "President Ford was basically told by his advisers, that look, we have a pandemic flu coming called swine flu that may be as bad as Spanish flu," said Michael Kinch, a professor of radiation oncology in the school of medicine at Washington University in St. Louis. His latest book, "Between Hope and Fear," explores the history of vaccines.

"Ford was being cajoled to put forward a vaccine that was hastily put together. When you have a brand new strain situation like that, they had to do it on the fly," Kinch said. Ford made the decision to make the immunization compulsory. The government launched the program in about seven months and 40 million people got vaccinated against swine flu, according to the CDC. That vaccination campaign was later linked to cases of a neurological disorder called Guillain-Barre syndrome, which can develop after an infection or, rarely, after vaccination with a live vaccine.

Geert Vanden Bossche, DVM, PhD is an expert in vaccine, immunology, and molecular biology. He has been working on the development of the COVID-19 vaccine since the inception of the pandemic in 2020. He is currently the head of the Vaccine Development Office in the German Centre for Infection Research, Geneva Switzerland. He has been warning over the past many months that if these vaccines are "leaky" and we could be in a bad way because the vaccine itself is making the virus stronger and stronger

We don't want it to be ADE, no one wants that - we want a well tested vaccine that protects the patient and stops the spread - that hasn't occurred to date.

While Mr. Trump was President there were multiple articles discussing these potential problems with rushing a vaccine and many people on the other side of the isle from the President said they would never take such a vaccine nor would they ever push it or make it mandatory - now they are, what's changed?

The science is very clear.

[RedFromMI]

The data BillyGV puts forward DOES NOT say you are more likely to get omicron if vaccinated than if not. Junk science and junk statistics. I am guessing copied and pasted from some RW junk news source.

If you were exactly equally likely to get this particular variant if vaccinated or not, than the fraction of cases should mirror the population fraction that is vaccinated vs. not...

Since the fraction of cases with vaccinated people is less than 97% (in fact closer to 90%) there is some vaccine protection for this variant. The three percent of the population that is not vaccinated is getting about 10 percent of the cases.

The rest of the post is more scare tactics about vaccines...most of which has nothing to do with the coronovirus vaccine.

[GV Retired Bum]

The data BillyGV puts forward DOES NOT say you are more likely to get omicron if vaccinated than if not. Junk science and junk statistics. I am guessing copied and pasted from some RW junk news source.

If you were exactly equally likely to get this particular variant if vaccinated or not, than the fraction of cases should mirror the population fraction that is vaccinated vs. not...

Since the fraction of cases with vaccinated people is less than 97% (in fact closer to 90%) there is some vaccine protection for this variant. The three percent of the population that is not vaccinated is getting about 10 percent of the cases.

The rest of the post is more scare tactics about vaccines...most of which has nothing to do with the coronovirus vaccine.

You are right he didn't interpret the data correctly. But I'm so confused as to why this is still going on? If you are vaccinated why are you scared? Its either going to help you not get it (Which looking at the NBA, MLB, and NFL (perfect study group) that isn't the case, even though just 1 year ago the LW were saying it will end it LOL) or It will help with symptoms which in turn will turn this into a Cold. if you are making a big fuss about a cold IDK what to tell ya.

My point is, vaccinated or not, this virus will continue to mutate and spread like wild fire. The main hope is the vaccine will protect the individuals that cant protect themselves because of preexisting conditions. But people refusing to get vaccinated wont hurt or help the amount of spread which is pretty clear right now, so I think its time to move on and let people do whatever they want. Agree or not, LW or RW. None of that matters. The scary part of all of this is your last statement. All the deaths "by COVID" are the real scare tactics, those numbers are so ungodly inflated its ridiculous and its to control what you do, and you think its the opposite.

[Runnin' Cat]

You are right he didn't interpret the data correctly. But I'm so confused as to why this is still going on? If you are vaccinated why are you scared? Its either going to help you not get it (Which looking at the NBA, MLB, and NFL (perfect study group) that isn't the case, even though just 1 year ago the LW were saying it will end it LOL) or It will help with symptoms which in turn will turn this into a Cold. if you are making a big fuss about a cold IDK what to tell ya.

My point is, vaccinated or not, this virus will continue to mutate and spread like wild fire. The main hope is the vaccine will protect the individuals that cant protect themselves because of preexisting conditions. But people refusing to get vaccinated wont hurt or help the amount of spread which is pretty clear right now, so I think its time to move on and let people do whatever they want. Agree or not, LW or RW. None of that matters. The scary part of all of this is your last statement. All the deaths "by COVID" are the real scare tactics, those numbers are so ungodly inflated its ridiculous and its to control what you do, and you think its the opposite.

If a larger percentage of people had been vaccinated earlier, the variants would not have a chance and would eventually become something akin to the common cold. Instead, the unvaccinated are easy hosts to variants, as well as making breakthrough infections more prevalent.

The scary part about it is that we will again have full hospitals with Covid patients. That means reduced resources for people that have emergency issues.

[Redwing]

If a larger percentage of people had been vaccinated earlier, the variants would not have a chance and would eventually become something akin to the common cold. Instead, the unvaccinated are easy hosts to variants, as well as making breakthrough infections more prevalent.

The scary part about it is that we will again have full hospitals with Covid patients. That means reduced resources for people that have emergency issues.

Huh? You realize that this is a global thing. It really isn't possible to accomplish that.

[GV Retired Bum]

If a larger percentage of people had been vaccinated earlier, the variants would not have a chance and would eventually become something akin to the common cold. Instead, the unvaccinated are easy hosts to variants, as well as making breakthrough infections more prevalent.

The scary part about it is that we will again have full hospitals with Covid patients. That means reduced resources for people that have emergency issues.

I think lack of resources and significant scientific studies of how the vaccine would work were the main reason for people not be vaccinated. Obviously now its just personal choice, but not at the beginning. Also thank you for not jumping down my throat like we are all so used to when we disagree