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Originally posted by Predatory Primates View Post
I'm not singling out the NE, but over the last 20 years or so, it's not uncommon to see playoff teams that would be middle of the pack at best in a power conference, and not unheard of to see a po team that would only win 2 to 4 games in a power conference.
Look at UNK for example. They went from getting a 1st round bye while playing in the RMAC in 2011 to going 3-8 in the MIAA in 2012.
Truman struggled mightily near the bottom of the MIAA for a long time, but started making the playoffs right away in the GLVC. I'm sure there is similar evidence amongst the other power conferences.
Because of that, I pretty strongly disagree that the rest of the playoff field is on pretty similar footing. If they are, then clearly the selection process is super broken.
Who do you feel was snubbed out of the playoff field this year?
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I'm fiddling with a wins-above-bubble type of system... this is what I got for 13 at-large spots (assuming Wayne State gets the NSIC auto bid):- Ferris State
- West Florida
- Davenport
- Minnesota State
- Shepherd
- Limestone
- Wingate
- West Georgia
- Virginia Union
- Northwest Missouri State
- Saginaw Valley State
- Harding
- Truman
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Originally posted by Ram040506 View Post
I've seen evidence of that too sure. There are teams every year in every region that fit that profile and they typically get blown out in the first round unless they "luck out" and are forced to play a team they competed with in conference in the first round.
Who do you feel was snubbed out of the playoff field this year?
I watched every MIAA game this year, so I didn't pay much attention to the rest of the Countr, but I imagine several teams were in that same boat.
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Originally posted by Inkblot View PostI'm fiddling with a wins-above-bubble type of system... this is what I got for 13 at-large spots (assuming Wayne State gets the NSIC auto bid):- Ferris State
- West Florida
- Davenport
- Minnesota State
- Shepherd
- Limestone
- Wingate
- West Georgia
- Virginia Union
- Northwest Missouri State
- Saginaw Valley State
- Harding
- Truman
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Originally posted by Predatory Primates View Post
While a whole conference is slower to shift, a single team can definitely do so in a year. It is important that there is still an opportunity for that to happen, and a way to make sure it is rewarded.
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Originally posted by IUPNation View Post
Then demand they switch regions instead of coming for the Northeast. Why shouldn’t YOUR conference be put in with one of them. Aren’t you just having it easy in Region 4. The Northern Sun is SILO and doesn’t even play a conference championship game when it could but somehow our region is the problem?2021 D2Football Fantasy Champion
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Originally posted by Ram040506 View Post
I think this argument has met the end point. Some are arguing what the ruling might ultimately be politically speaking and you seem to be arguing for what you believe to be the only way it should be. I agree with you mostly. Region 1 hasn't earned 25% of the entire bracket, but I think some are underselling that the entirety of the region is garbage. I am definitely Biased and I do believe that Region 1 wouldn't just lose every single playoff game they played if paired outside their "region."
It's been beat to hell, but there is a top 4-6 teams and then everyone else, IMO, is on pretty similar footing after that.
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Originally posted by EastStroud13 View PostHere's my stab at what I think a realistic immediate step would be. Playoff selection is the exact same as it currently is. Seed teams 1-8, with each SR getting at least 1 seed. Seeded teams placed in SR quadrants as close as is applicable. Any unseeded teams in their SR's top 4 were kept in their SR, and unseeded teams outside their SR's top 4 were fluid and could be moved to other SR's.
It's not perfect. I think there's room to improve the distribution of teams across the SR3 and SR4 quadrants if more teams could be flexed out of region (for example, NWMSU swapping in for Bemidji gets rid of a conference rematch). But as a first step, I think it represents an improvement for the "competitiveness" crowd without completely alienating the "regionality" crowd. Because, clearly, no solution is going to completely please everyone.
Sorry, not sure why the image is so blurry... something about the upload I guess.
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Originally posted by KleShreen View Post
The Northern Sun has produced two national champions and two other runners-up since 2008. The PSAC hasn't produced either since 2000. They've shown they're capable of beating the best of the best.
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Originally posted by Brandon View Post
In my opinion, this is not an improvement. Plus, there are more flights than either really happened or theoretically happened in the FCS format.
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Originally posted by Brandon View Post
In my opinion, this is not an improvement. Plus, there are more flights than either really happened or theoretically happened in the FCS format.
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Originally posted by Brandon View Post
How did you come up with this list?
I went back to the MOV-based SOS spreadsheet and tried to estimate expected win totals for the 13th-best non-champion against each team's schedule, then compared it to actual results. (Of course it doesn't work well for silos, but nothing does...)
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Originally posted by EastStroud13 View Post
Thank you for your honesty, at least. Sadly, I suspect we will probably never come to any form of agreement on this.
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