EO - Max 5 years and 1 transfer option allowed.

[Predatory Primates]

What did the other 12 states do to piss them off to not get the in state rate?

Lol. I have wondered the same thing.

[IUPNation]

So is it fair to say that it's a matter of financial philosophy.

Charging less to draw in customers and make money through volume vs. Charging a smaller number of customers at the highest price point that the marketwill bear. Both approaches can work.

Heck, Pitt does in state tuition for like 38 different states trying to get enrollment back up.

What did the other 12 states do to piss them off to not get the in state rate?

[IUPNation]

Private schools are not exactly rolling in money to do that. State subsidized schools on the other hand can offer tuition discounts to all in-state students. It is just what some states do. As someone pointed out for instance, if you graduated from a Detroit high school, you can go to Wayne State (MI) tuition free. That doesn't cover room and board of course, but if they wanted to bring in say 20 football players from the Detroit and put them on the team, they wouldn't eat up one of their allocated athletic scholarships. Therefore more money to give other players. Just how the game can be played. Wayne State isn't very good doing it, but Ferris State on the other hand....

Obviously Pennsylvania is not doing that....................

[Predatory Primates]

Private schools are not exactly rolling in money to do that. State subsidized schools on the other hand can offer tuition discounts to all in-state students. It is just what some states do. As someone pointed out for instance, if you graduated from a Detroit high school, you can go to Wayne State (MI) tuition free. That doesn't cover room and board of course, but if they wanted to bring in say 20 football players from the Detroit and put them on the team, they wouldn't eat up one of their allocated athletic scholarships. Therefore more money to give other players. Just how the game can be played. Wayne State isn't very good doing it, but Ferris State on the other hand....

So is it fair to say that it's a matter of financial philosophy.

Charging less to draw in customers and make money through volume vs. Charging a smaller number of customers at the highest price point that the marketwill bear. Both approaches can work.

Heck, Pitt does in state tuition for like 38 different states trying to get enrollment back up.

[Bballfan]

I also don't understand the out of state thing. Why can't private schools offer reduced tuition to certain areas? Is it an NCAA rule, or do they just refuse to do it?

Private schools are not exactly rolling in money to do that. State subsidized schools on the other hand can offer tuition discounts to all in-state students. It is just what some states do. As someone pointed out for instance, if you graduated from a Detroit high school, you can go to Wayne State (MI) tuition free. That doesn't cover room and board of course, but if they wanted to bring in say 20 football players from the Detroit and put them on the team, they wouldn't eat up one of their allocated athletic scholarships. Therefore more money to give other players. Just how the game can be played. Wayne State isn't very good doing it, but Ferris State on the other hand....

[IUPNation]

I remember when IUP had some great teams.

Pitt is a track school, not a football school, and has been for quite a while. As for the MIAA, they haven't had a true contender in football for at least 3 or 4 years, and the conference as a whole has been kind of soft the last couple.

Pitt is slowly adding sports, but some just won't ever be a thing due to their regionality. Lacrosse, Hockey, men's volleyball, gymnastics, etc... Those sports just don't really exist around here at any level. No Pitt donors GAF about those sports, so I don't think they should ever happen. It would be like NYU adding a rodeo team, or Arizona state trying to add surfing.

Exactly. The Pee Sack offers Lacrosse and Field Hockey. The D2 Field Hockey playoffs are just the Pee Sack playoffs again with a few NE10 schools invited to the party.

Some Pee Sack schools are D1 in wrestling...so resources go to that.

West Chester offers 17 or 18 sports...while on average most D2 schools offer 10 or 11.

It's why they do this level regionally...because it gives weaker regions something to play for in region even they get splattered in the Final Four...

However.....the Pee Sack was not weak in basketball this year.

[Predatory Primates]

Nobody who roots for a Pee Sack school is complaining that schools like your spend most of their athletic budget on foosball while our schools offer sports yours do not....the missions of athletic departments in the Pee Sack are not the same as those in the MIAA. IUP tried...got punished for it by the rest of the league and that was that.

What we hate hearing is how we suck and we don't belong and only certain schools should only get playoff bids and the 8th place school in the MIAA or GLIAC conference would dominate ours...it the wanker wagging they we can live without.

I remember when IUP had some great teams.

Pitt is a track school, not a football school, and has been for quite a while. As for the MIAA, they haven't had a true contender in football for at least 3 or 4 years, and the conference as a whole has been kind of soft the last couple.

Pitt is slowly adding sports, but some just won't ever be a thing due to their regionality. Lacrosse, Hockey, men's volleyball, gymnastics, etc... Those sports just don't really exist around here at any level. No Pitt donors GAF about those sports, so I don't think they should ever happen. It would be like NYU adding a rodeo team, or Arizona state trying to add surfing.

[IUPNation]

I also don't understand the out of state thing. Why can't private schools offer reduced tuition to certain areas? Is it an NCAA rule, or do they just refuse to do it?

A lot of small private schools barely have money to stay open.

Mercyhurst's folly going D1 when they could barely compete in D2 will either bankrupt the place or they will be begging the GMAC to take them in when they have to come back to D2, because the Pee Sack won't take them back after how they left.

[IUPNation]

I'm not trying to limit anyone. Playing over your head is fine. Constantly complaining about it and blaming others for it like a few folks tend to do on here is what I take issue with.

Nobody who roots for a Pee Sack school is complaining that schools like your spend most of their athletic budget on foosball while our schools offer sports yours do not....the missions of athletic departments in the Pee Sack are not the same as those in the MIAA. IUP tried...got punished for it by the rest of the league and that was that.

What we hate hearing is how we suck and we don't belong and only certain schools should only get playoff bids and the 8th place school in the MIAA or GLIAC conference would dominate ours...it the wanker wagging they we can live without.

[Predatory Primates]

I also don't understand the out of state thing. Why can't private schools offer reduced tuition to certain areas? Is it an NCAA rule, or do they just refuse to do it?

[Predatory Primates]

If you limit D2 to only schools that offer the maximum amount of scholarships, you no longer have a division. You have a handful of conferences.

I'm not trying to limit anyone. Playing over your head is fine. Constantly complaining about it and blaming others for it like a few folks tend to do on here is what I take issue with.

[EastStroud13]

How is it GVs fault that those schools choose to play in a division they can't afford?

If you limit D2 to only schools that offer the maximum amount of scholarships, you no longer have a division. You have a handful of conferences.

[IUPNation]

It's an exurb of a metro area with over a million people. I assume that makes it easier to fill a D1 stadium than say Pittsburg KS. I could definitely be wrong, though?

You are not wrong.

I am sure GV sports is on the sports segents on the three network stations based in Grand Rapids.

IUP and Slimey Pebble never get mentioned on Pittsburgh TV.

In fact, the basketball Elite 8 was in Pittsburgh and you would have been hard pressed to find a blurb about it on any Pittsburgh media site the whole time is was being played....and it had two schools from Western PA playing there...National Champion Gannon (Seeeeeee...schools from the Pee Sack can win National Titles) for the men and National Runner Up IUP for the ladies......

[IUPNation]

Most of you have never been to Allendale MI. Not a metropolis. Don’t blink or you’ll miss it! And, IUP Knothead contributor….Brian Kelly left for a D1 job. He certainly wasn’t fired.

It's part of this.....that has it's own media market......hardly Hooterville.

The Grand Rapids metropolitan area is a triangular shaped Metro Triplex, in West Michigan, which fans out westward from the primary hub city of Grand Rapids, Michigan, to the other two metro hubs of Muskegon and Holland. The metropolitan area had an estimated population of 1,159,616 in 2017.^[4] The region, noted in particular for its western edge abutting the Lake Michigan shoreline and its beaches, is a popular tourist and vacation destination during the summer. Noted popular metro area beach towns include Grand Haven, Holland, Muskegon, and Saugatuck.

Brian "1-6 vs IUP" Kelly wasn't fired from GV...that is true. He was fired from LSU and his record vs IUP probably was one reason.....lol

[IUPNation]

Exactly….same rules as everyone else. Thank you for proving my point.

I’m not sure what advantages you’re talking about. There are 6 D1 schools within 3 hours of campus and 6 more D2 schools all drawing from the same talent pool. Not sure what advantages you’re referring to. No doubt GV emphasizes their athletic programs and other schools don’t. Not really our problem is it!

Now do Pennsylvania.

I'll help you.

3 FBS
9 FCS
16 D2
25 D3

It's pretty hard for a school in the Pee Sack to be able to get the talent needed to compete vs schools in the Midwest and South that have more players to pull from and less competition.

Plus....doesn't GV use their state funding to pay for scholarships...something the public schools in the Pee Sack cannot do...it's all fund raised.

So yes....Grand MAC Valley has all sorts of financial advantages over the better off Pee Sack schools.