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  • GMAC not in initial Regional Rankings...

    Very bad sign for GMAC post season hopes...,.

    https://www.d2football.com/regional-...gs-10/25/2021/

  • #2
    Originally posted by CALUPA69 View Post
    Very bad sign for GMAC post season hopes...
    Agreed ... three 2-loss teams in the Top-10 SR1 Regional Rankings, and not one GMAC team is not a good sign. Unless it's officially changed though, all they need to do is get a team to #9 on the Regional Rankings for Earned Access to come into play bumping out whoever is #7 so their conference is represented ....

    https://web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/search/bylawView?id=18698

    [QUOTE]31.3.5 Earned Access -- Football. The Division II Football Committee shall award earned access to the NCAA Division II Football Championship to Division II football-playing conferences for which at least one member institution finishes no more than two spots lower than the super region bracket size in the final NCAA Division II football regional ranking. To be awarded earned access, the conference shall have a minimum of six active football-playing members. The earned access shall go to the conference's highest-ranked team in the final regional Top 10 poll. (Adopted: 1/12/04, Revised: 10/26/09, 1/11/12, 10/16/18)[/QUOTE}

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    • #3
      I dunno what the GMAC needs to do to get more respect in the rankings. IMO, they're pretty clearly the second strongest conference in SR1 overall, and probably the strongest conference team-for-team. Massey has Tiffin 4th and ODU 9th. They schedule tough, and haven't been rewarded for it. Meanwhile the NE-10 is full of cupcake schedules, and they have three teams in the regional rankings. It just doesn't make sense.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by EastStroud13 View Post
        I dunno what the GMAC needs to do to get more respect in the rankings...... It just doesn't make sense.
        And we are back to pre-pandemic discussions... I like it !!!
        Seriously, my suggestion that nobody asked for or wants is do whatever it takes to create a Super League ala the PSAC by merging with either GLIAC, MEC or GLVC. Why does D2 try to avoid what FBS decided was the best course several years ago. SR1 with a combined GMAC/MEC of 16-20 teams would almost certainly offset the clout of the PSAC and guarantee themselves 3 spots a year. These quaint historic conferences of 6-12 teams are inefficient and tend to screw each other come PO time. Just a thought.
        Last edited by CALUPA69; 10-26-2021, 08:39 AM.

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        • #5
          Quite ridiculous.

          The GMAC played solid OOC teams while the PSAC did not + IUP refuses to play Tiffin and gets rewarded.

          Tiffin and ODU are legit top 25 teams and not listed in the regional top 10? Starting to think the voters are all from the PSAC.

          NDC and Frostberg St hold on for dear life to beat Ashland and KWC in week 1, both are in the bottom middle of the GMAC and no one realizes how strong the GMAC is? The GMAC goes 2-1 against a powerful U-Indy team and no one notices?

          Pretty pathetic of the uniformed voters.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by GLIAC Fan View Post
            Quite ridiculous.

            The GMAC played solid OOC teams while the PSAC did not + IUP refuses to play Tiffin and gets rewarded.

            Tiffin and ODU are legit top 25 teams and not listed in the regional top 10? Starting to think the voters are all from the PSAC.

            NDC and Frostberg St hold on for dear life to beat Ashland and KWC in week 1, both are in the bottom middle of the GMAC and no one realizes how strong the GMAC is? The GMAC goes 2-1 against a powerful U-Indy team and no one notices?

            Pretty pathetic of the uniformed voters.
            They will always be uninformed in D2, but if ODU and TIFFIN were in a league championship game versus FROSTBURG or NDC they would have to be recognized. My VULCANS have earned none of the status they have this year except for a gift from our friends at IUP. And the fact that they're in a league with perennial SR1 powers IUP, SRU, WCU, SHEP and KUTZ. They are one win away from the PSAC State Game and a virtually guaranteed #1-3 seed in the Playoffs. Whatever it may be called a joint GMAC/MEC league with North (Ohio) and South(WV) divisions would give the best teams the same status as the 7-0 ??? CAL U VULCANS. Without that joint venture the best of both leagues will remain big frogs in small ponds.

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            • #7
              The conference that gets way to much credit is Mount East. Its a bad football conference that Notre Dame has propped up over the years.

              There are two problems right now in the GMAC. 1. The top 4-5 teams are pretty even. If Ashland would have beaten ND back in week 1 it wouldn't be a question, but with their QB getting hurt for the year mid way vs ODU they are just trying to hold it together right now. But any week one of those top 4 teams could win. 2. The bigger problem moving forward is a lot of these teams still play each other. Tiffin and ODU play this week, someone is going to lose that game. Tiffin then still play Findlay. The only hope for the GMAC is that whoever wins the Tiffin ODU game this week, wins the last 2 weeks and they will be in....and then probably will win region 1.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by unc4life View Post
                The conference that gets way to much credit is Mount East. Its a bad football conference that Notre Dame has propped up over the years.

                There are two problems right now in the GMAC. 1. The top 4-5 teams are pretty even. If Ashland would have beaten ND back in week 1 it wouldn't be a question, but with their QB getting hurt for the year mid way vs ODU they are just trying to hold it together right now. But any week one of those top 4 teams could win. 2. The bigger problem moving forward is a lot of these teams still play each other. Tiffin and ODU play this week, someone is going to lose that game. Tiffin then still play Findlay. The only hope for the GMAC is that whoever wins the Tiffin ODU game this week, wins the last 2 weeks and they will be in....and then probably will win region 1.
                My point is not that the GMAC isn't good or that the MEC is better. My point is a bigger league with more members and a championship game draws a lot of attention to all the teams involved. This is the exact model that Power5 have utilized in the FBS to dominate that division. It's not even like it's a logistics problem because the leagues, aside from TNU and KWC largely overlap. I know the respective administrations will fight it to the death, but it's either merge and get your fair share of spots or don't and begin the annual whine fest about this time each year.

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                • #9
                  21 football playing schools in the same league. Huh.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by UFOILERFAN View Post
                    21 football playing schools in the same league. Huh.
                    Several would have to leave or be jettisoned, AB, UNC-P, WVW, KWU, WALSH, and a realignment to form either 8 or 9 team North and South divisions. They could then schedule 7-8 division games and a mix of OOC and crossover games exactly as PSAC with one OOC and three Crossover. Or as I said do nothing and whine about being the odd league out if it isn't NE10.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by CALUPA69 View Post

                      Several would have to leave or be jettisoned, AB, UNC-P, WVW, KWU, WALSH, and a realignment to form either 8 or 9 team North and South divisions. They could then schedule 7-8 division games and a mix of OOC and crossover games exactly as PSAC with one OOC and three Crossover. Or as I said do nothing and whine about being the odd league out if it isn't NE10.
                      That makes more sense but I'm not telling those schools that they're leaving. :D

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by UFOILERFAN View Post

                        That makes more sense but I'm not telling those schools that they're leaving. :D
                        None of this would be easy and there would certainly be some hurt feelings but if/until the PASSHE realignment eliminates some teams or others choose to leave the PSAC, the presence of a 16 team league with well watched league championship game, means they'll draw a lot of attention away from three classic best record leagues.

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                        • #13
                          Honestly, if ODU had beaten Shepherd and Ashland had beaten Notre Dame, the regional rankings would look very different. You have to win those big non-conference games in the region.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by unc4life View Post
                            The conference that gets way to much credit is Mount East. Its a bad football conference that Notre Dame has propped up over the years.

                            There are two problems right now in the GMAC. 1. The top 4-5 teams are pretty even. If Ashland would have beaten ND back in week 1 it wouldn't be a question, but with their QB getting hurt for the year mid way vs ODU they are just trying to hold it together right now. But any week one of those top 4 teams could win. 2. The bigger problem moving forward is a lot of these teams still play each other. Tiffin and ODU play this week, someone is going to lose that game. Tiffin then still play Findlay. The only hope for the GMAC is that whoever wins the Tiffin ODU game this week, wins the last 2 weeks and they will be in....and then probably will win region 1.
                            The MEC really isn't getting a ton of credit, all things considered. NDC is down at 5th, and Charleston is barely hanging on at 10th. The real conference that's getting too much credit is the NE-10, whose best OOC win is Bentley's big win against a middling West Chester. Stonehill has played two decent teams in New Haven and Bentley and lost to both, and yet they're ranked 9th. The love fest is bizarre.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by EastStroud13 View Post

                              The MEC really isn't getting a ton of credit, all things considered. NDC is down at 5th, and Charleston is barely hanging on at 10th. The real conference that's getting too much credit is the NE-10, whose best OOC win is Bentley's big win against a middling West Chester. Stonehill has played two decent teams in New Haven and Bentley and lost to both, and yet they're ranked 9th. The love fest is bizarre.
                              Which is really the point of my suggestion. As long as the SR1 is made up of 1 mega conference and 3 normal ones, those three are going to be battling each other for spots. In the last ten playoffs a total of 35 of 66 participants were from the PSAC which left 31 spots to be divided among MEC, NE10 and GMAC/CIAA. The NE10 has no viable options to increase their FB membership but the GMAC and MEC do. It couldn't hurt to ask the NCAA if they would allow a one sport mega conference so resolution of who belongs in the POs can be settled on the field. The worst they can say is no.

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