MEC 2020 Schedules

[boatcapt]

It does force other schools in the conference to absorb the baggage of whom ever the other schools chose to schedule. It's one thing for Fairmont to accept the SOS hit from scheduling a 1-10 hit...that is their choice. But quite a different story for the other 10 MEC member schools that are forced to play Fairmont and by virtue will also take an SOS hit because of Fairmont's scheduling choice. And to add insult to injury, one MEC school will not share that pain because they dont play Fairmont.

[Horror Child]

It does force other schools in the conference to absorb the baggageof whom ever the other schools chose to schedule. It's one thing for Fairmont to accept the SOS hit from scheduling a 1-10 hit...that is their choice. But quite a different story for the other 10 MEC member schools that are forced to play Fairmont and by virtue will also take an SOS hit because of Fairmont's scheduling choice. And to add insult to injury, one MEC school will not share that pain because they dont play Fairmont.

But don't the MEC teams that do play Fairmont get the SOS boost due to Fairmont's win over that 1-10 team. As you previously stated, the direct opponent accounts for 2/3 of SOS, the indirect one just 1/3. Also, besides the "baggage" that they are forced to absorb (poor victim), they get the benefit of Notre Dame scheduling 7-4 Findlay or Urbana playing 8-2 Truman St. Seems there are two sides to the coin, but for the victim, it always comes up tails.

Has someone in the MEC front office given you an update?

[boatcapt]

But don't the MEC teams that do play Fairmont get the SOS boost due to Fairmont's win over that 1-10 team. As you previously stated, the direct opponent accounts for 2/3 of SOS, the indirect one just 1/3. Also, besides the "baggage" that they are forced to absorb (poor victim), they get the benefit of Notre Dame scheduling 7-4 Findlay or Urbana playing 8-2 Truman St. Seems there are two sides to the coin, but for the victim, it always comes up tails.

Has someone in the MEC front office given you an update?

I haven't talked to anyone in the MEC office in a year+.

You can call it victim all you want but the facts are the facts. Large part of the MEC going to 12 football playing members was to give every school a .500 SOS. Reasoning behind this was that teams behind the conf winner rarely got a playoff bid even though their W/L record was often better than even the #8 seeded team. The reason most often given for non-selection was poor SOS. A component of the SOS is Opponent Opponents winning % so every conference member takes a bite of the scheduling sandwich of every other conference team and the teams they chose to play. It's one thing if a school chooses to put a Clark Atlantic on their schedule...quite a bit different when the other 10 teams in the conference have to share in the penalty.

The MEC had a plan to address the SOS issue and they chose to abandon it so they have basically said, it is a non-issue to them. Don't want to hear any complaining from 2 loss MEC teams that lose out to other 2 or even 3 loss team(s) come playoff selection time because they had a lower SOS.

[Inkblot]

MEC SOS in 2019:

Charleston .503
Concord .503
Fairmont State .503
Frostburg State .477
Glenville State .479
Notre Dame .512
Urbana .520
West Liberty .486
West Virginia State .503
West Virginia Wesleyan .503
Wheeling .497

[ctrabs74]

You can call it victim all you want but the facts are the facts. Large part of the MEC going to 12 football playing members was to give every school a .500 SOS. Reasoning behind this was that teams behind the conf winner rarely got a playoff bid even though their W/L record was often better than even the #8 seeded team. The reason most often given for non-selection was poor SOS. A component of the SOS is Opponent Opponents winning % so every conference member takes a bite of the scheduling sandwich of every other conference team and the teams they chose to play. It's one thing if a school chooses to put a Clark Atlantic on their schedule...quite a bit different when the other 10 teams in the conference have to share in the penalty.

I've never heard of "Clark Atlantic" but I am familiar with Clark Atlanta...

The MEC had a plan to address the SOS issue and they chose to abandon it so they have basically said, it is a non-issue to them. Don't want to hear any complaining from 2 loss MEC teams that lose out to other 2 or even 3 loss team(s) come playoff selection time because they had a lower SOS.

I'm sure Shepherd leaving for the PSAC and allowing the Week 1 OOC games to get UNC-Pembroke on board had a factor in this change in philosophy regarding closed "silo" scheduling.

[Horror Child]

I haven't talked to anyone in the MEC office in a year+.

You can call it victim all you want but the facts are the facts. Large part of the MEC going to 12 football playing members was to give every school a .500 SOS. Reasoning behind this was that teams behind the conf winner rarely got a playoff bid even though their W/L record was often better than even the #8 seeded team. The reason most often given for non-selection was poor SOS. A component of the SOS is Opponent Opponents winning % so every conference member takes a bite of the scheduling sandwich of every other conference team and the teams they chose to play. It's one thing if a school chooses to put a Clark Atlantic on their schedule...quite a bit different when the other 10 teams in the conference have to share in the penalty.

The MEC had a plan to address the SOS issue and they chose to abandon it so they have basically said, it is a non-issue to them. Don't want to hear any complaining from 2 loss MEC teams that lose out to other 2 or even 3 loss team(s) come playoff selection time because they had a lower SOS.

Facts are facts. You just continue to ignore them.

Speaking of facts, I look forward to your list of MEC teams and that failed to make the playoffs but had a W/L record better than even the #8 seeded team.

[Eagle74]

I wasn't initially aware of the location of PEMBROKE,NC. Sort of guessed it was in the Western mountains and so not crazy far from WV. I was wrong. The AVERAGE round trip distance for the six road games on the UNC-PEMBROKE schedule is 636 MILES with two OVER 1,000 MILES. While conferences like the LSC, NSIC and RMAC understandably must deal with long road trips, I can't for my life understand the logic of this connection. It would be like SETON HILL U joining the NE10. In D1 FB these trips make sense based on money but there is nothing close to any financial gain here. Any BRAVES fans care to clarify this decision ?

Look on the bright side, after the game you're only a short drive (only around 75 miles) from the sunny shores of North Myrtle Beach, with super nice ocean front hotel rooms at ridiculously low off-season prices, and lots of excellent restaurants / watering holes, golf etc :) So you plan on making it a nice extended weekend Football trip.

[boatcapt]

Facts are facts. You just continue to ignore them.

Speaking of facts, I look forward to your list of MEC teams and that failed to make the playoffs but had a W/L record better than even the #8 seeded team.

From 2009-2018:

2018 Fairmont 9-2 did not make the playoffs, 8-2 New Haven did.
2014 Shepherd 8-2 did not make the playoffs, Post did with an 8-3 record.
2011 Shepherd at 9-2 did not make the playoffs, Elizabeth City did at 8-2 did.
2009 UC 9-2 did not make the playoffs, but 8-3 Edinboro and Fayetville did.

Same record:

2018 9-2 Fairmont did not make the playoffs, 9-2 Hillsdale and SRU did.
2017 8-3 NDC did not make the playoffs, 8-3 WCU did.
2014 8-3 UC did not make the playoffs, 8-3 Post did.
2012 9-2 UC did not make the playoffs, 9-2 IUP did.
2010 9-2 WV Wesleyan did not make the playoffs, 9-2 Shaw did.

[Horror Child]

From 2009-2018:

2018 Fairmont 9-2 did not make the playoffs, 8-2 New Haven did.
2014 Shepherd 8-2 did not make the playoffs, Post did with an 8-3 record.
2011 Shepherd at 9-2 did not make the playoffs, Elizabeth City did at 8-2 did.
2009 UC 9-2 did not make the playoffs, but 8-3 Edinboro and Fayetville did.

Same record:

2018 9-2 Fairmont did not make the playoffs, 9-2 Hillsdale and SRU did.
2017 8-3 NDC did not make the playoffs, 8-3 WCU did.
2014 8-3 UC did not make the playoffs, 8-3 Post did.
2012 9-2 UC did not make the playoffs, 9-2 IUP did.
2010 9-2 WV Wesleyan did not make the playoffs, 9-2 Shaw did.

Boat, boat, boat.

2018 - New Haven was 8-1 in D2, which is a better record than Fairmont's 9-2
2014 - Post was placed into the playoffs under the earned access rule

And even though the MEC didn't exist until 2013...
2011 - Laughable since Concord (7-2) made it ahead of Bloomsburg (9-2) due to earned access
2009 - Fayetteville St qualified due to earned access.
2011 - Charleston - not so much SOS, but moreso that Edinboro defeated West Liberty while Charleston lost to West Liberty. But even if it were SOS, it was Charleston's direct opponents - Tusculum (2-9), St Augustine's (4-6) and North Greenville (2-8) - that cost them, not the indirect SOS from the records of the other WVIAC teams opponents.

No need to evaluate the "same record" list since, as similar to our most notorious D2 MB victim, when the facts (that you so love) don't support your preposterous claim "W/L record often better...", you have to shift the premise.

Thanks for playing.

[boatcapt]

Come on Child, you know conference playoff appropriation leans heavily toward one particular conference. Over the period 2009-2019, the average number of playoff teams by SR1 conference is:

PSAC 3
CIAA/GMAC 1.2
MEC/WVIAC 1.2
NE10 .909

NO SR1 team besides the PSAC has ever gotten more than 2 in the playoffs and only 6 times has any other conference gotten even 2 teams in. PSAC has gotten 3+ teams in 8 times over the course of these 11 years. and never has had only 1 selection. And far from getting better, the PSAC is averaging 4 teams over the last three years culminating in 5 playoff slots in 2019.

[Horror Child]

Come on Child, you know conference playoff appropriation leans heavily toward one particular conference. Over the period 2009-2019, the average number of playoff teams by SR1 conference is:

PSAC 3
CIAA/GMAC 1.2
MEC/WVIAC 1.2
NE10 .909

NO SR1 team besides the PSAC has ever gotten more than 2 in the playoffs and only 6 times has any other conference gotten even 2 teams in. PSAC has gotten 3+ teams in 8 times over the course of these 11 years. and never has had only 1 selection. And far from getting better, the PSAC is averaging 4 teams over the last three years culminating in 5 playoff slots in 2019.

I see you've completely abandoned your original argument, obviously due to its horrible failure, and gotten to the realization of your victimhood: the PSAC gets more teams in the playoffs than the other conferences in the region and it's just not fair!!!

And the PSAC does it without closed scheduling.

[boatcapt]

I see you've completely abandoned your original argument, obviously due to its horrible failure, and gotten to the realization of your victimhood: the PSAC gets more teams in the playoffs than the other conferences in the region and it's just not fair!!!

And the PSAC does it without closed scheduling.

When you are in the group that benefits from increased playoff selections, you dismiss groups that complain about it as engaged in nothing more than victimology...If you are part of the group that is under represented, you accuse the NCAA of cherry picking evidence that supports their selectional bias.

Didn't abandon anything...that's wishful thinking on your part. The origional premise was that a locked down schedule in the MEC was designed to increase SOS and thereby increase the chances of a second and perhaps third team from the MEC making the playoffs. The driving factor behind this is the historic over allocation of playoff positions to one particular conference.

[Horror Child]

When you are in the group that benefits from increased playoff selections, you dismiss groups that complain about it as engaged in nothing more than victimology...If you are part of the group that is under represented, you accuse the NCAA of cherry picking evidence that supports their selectional bias.

Didn't abandon anything...that's wishful thinking on your part. The origional premise was that a locked down schedule in the MEC was designed to increase SOS and thereby increase the chances of a second and perhaps third team from the MEC making the playoffs. The driving factor behind this is the historic over allocation of playoff positions to one particular conference.

"W/L record often better..." LOL

Someone commented on the "increase SOS" part...

One of the elements that separates the top teams in the region, since there are often multiple undefeated teams or multiple one-loss teams, is their SOS. So while a closed schedule gives a floor of .500, it also gives a ceiling of .500.

[ESU Warrior]

"W/L record often better..." LOL

Someone commented on the "increase SOS" part...

Boat is immune to facts, always has been.

[boatcapt]

Boat is immune to facts, always has been.

I site facts. Wwhat I'm imune to is others coloration of te facts.