OT: D1

[IUPbigINDIANS]

That was a great show. I’m came away from it feeling like there are a lot of good liars at Michigan. Stalions himself came off as a likable dude. The kind of guy that would be fun to hang out with. He just loved Michigan football, and loved it so much he found himself on the sideline and a legitimate part of the system. Fascinating, but I don’t believe for a second Michigan was/is the only program doing it.

The Stalions memes are hilarious.

He fell on his sword, too - very, very rare in major athletics and in life.

Had he named names he could have probably brought the whole ship down.

No question just how powerful he was within that program. His title was irrelevant.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Dave Portnoy made headlines yesterday by stating he will pay 'upward' of $3m through NIL to get an elite QB to Michigan. He said he will do it yearly.


He's obviously an actual 'whale' and has the money. He's a Michigan alum and die hard. I'd be curious who then gets to 'pick' the QB.

Those who write $3m checks to athletic departments carry major weight -- whether that is admitted in public or not. The guy stroking the massive check in this case also thinks he's an NFL GM.

[IUP24]

Dave Portnoy made headlines yesterday by stating he will pay 'upward' of $3m through NIL to get an elite QB to Michigan. He said he will do it yearly.


He's obviously an actual 'whale' and has the money. He's a Michigan alum and die hard. I'd be curious who then gets to 'pick' the QB.

Those who write $3m checks to athletic departments carry major weight -- whether that is admitted in public or not. The guy stroking the massive check in this case also thinks he's an NFL GM.

Dave can do that permitted he has an NIL opportunity worthy of a 3 million dollar valuation to provide once they are evaluated by an independent legal firm. Because appearing weekly on Pardon My Take isn't a 3 million dollar business endeavor.

Roll your eyes, but when this is all ironed out (and it's hit some snags and may get delayed a bit - along with the revenue sharing model), you soon won't be able to just go around town finding money to throw at players anymore under the fake premise of NIL. Dave Portnoy would be better off going to the University of Michigan, speaking with their athletic department, and discussing how they intend to fund the 21 million dollars for the revenue sharing. He could commit 3 million dollars annually to the university's athletic department, permitted he could get a guarantee that Michigan is paying 3 million to a QB in revenue sharing.

[IUP24]

That story has changed. He's actually not looking to transfer. He's unhappy with being a rotation player so he's shutting it down with the intention of coming back next year. Lol can't make this stuff up. He's even going to continue to practice with USC.

If Reilly keeps him that is F'd up. His teammates have to be thrilled.

They paid that dude a lot of coin. He was showing his LA apartment off, Cribs style, to ESPN in August.

D1 can play (4) games and still take a redshirt. Players opting to shut it down obviously wasn't the intention but now it's a thing.

Because many of these "NIL" arrangements are not legally or contractually binding, this stuff is allowed to exist. I know your take is mostly objective, but I feel you are also pretty pro-player "getting their bag at all costs" too. And that's fine, it's a big business. I see both sides, but mostly try to look at it from the macro in terms of where it's going and what the actual intent really was.

Point is, there are just as many stories of players screwing over their programs too. Like this one.

I previously used the Dayon Hayes situation at Pitt. He basically took all of Pitt's NIL money and immediately packed his things and left for Colorado. Because he wasn't required to do X, Y, and Z to get that money, and it was just paid out to him, he had no obligation to give it back. So for every story of a player not getting everything he was promised, there is a story of that too. But unfortunately, in the heavy pro-player media world we live in (for all sports at all levels), we hardly ever hear those stores.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Because many of these "NIL" arrangements are not legally or contractually binding, this stuff is allowed to exist. I know your take is mostly objective, but I feel you are also pretty pro-player "getting their bag at all costs" too. And that's fine, it's a big business. I see both sides, but mostly try to look at it from the macro in terms of where it's going and what the actual intent really was.

Point is, there are just as many stories of players screwing over their programs too. Like this one.

I previously used the Dayon Hayes situation at Pitt. He basically took all of Pitt's NIL money and immediately packed his things and left for Colorado. Because he wasn't required to do X, Y, and Z to get that money, and it was just paid out to him, he had no obligation to give it back. So for every story of a player not getting everything he was promised, there is a story of that too. But unfortunately, in the heavy pro-player media world we live in (for all sports at all levels), we hardly ever hear those stores.

When you start dealing with big money, the sharks come out. Both sides are learning some lessons.

The money is the money. It will always exist -- legally or illegally. I actually think the 'money' was cleaner when it was illegal than now when it's legal.

If these kids can get it (legally) ... get it. What, about 98% of them aren't going pro. What job awaits? They may work 10 years to make what they can get in a one-year NIL deal. There's a lot of stories of those who allegedly got screwed over, but there are some who got (and are getting) serious checks. What do you think Livvy Dunne is going to make this year at LSU? There's only so much loyalty. See how loyal these programs are to you when you blow your knee out. On to the next. It's why scholarships are year to year. When you aren't useful to the program, you're gone. Coaches leave on a whim after yapping about loyalty for their whole tenure. It's just a cut-throat business. And, at the high level, it is a big business.

My main heartache is the redshirt item. The 'play in four games and still redshirt' was designed specifically to get young players on the field. They could get some experience while still taking the redshirt year. It was perfect for your higher-end true freshmen, etc. Think back before this rule when if you played in one game you burned your redshirt (Kenny Pickett playing against Miami comes to mind).

But, of course, a loophole was discovered in this new rule. And, it's a big one as we are seeing. Now you can simply pull a Derek Bell and go in to Operation Shutdown.

I'm not convinced this UNLV QB story is as cut and dry and both sides want us to believe. They very well may both have their hand in the cookie jar. Regardless, this player has now quit on his team, friends, etc. As somebody else pointed out, $100,000 isn't some big number. I'm sure we'll eventually learn more about this one.

[TheBigCat2192]

But unfortunately, in the heavy pro-player media world we live in (for all sports at all levels), we hardly ever hear those stores.

I think we’re usually fairly aligned on macro sports trends but this is one where I’d disagree. Sports reporting is slanted towards league and team. I don’t entirely blame journalists since teams control things like credentials and interview access but I’m struggling to think of a major sports news outlet that you could call “pro-player.” It is less pronounced in college sports than at the professional level at least; perhaps because there (previously) was “no money” involved and you can’t accuse guys who “aren’t getting paid” of being overpaid or greedy.

[IUP24]

I think we’re usually fairly aligned on macro sports trends but this is one where I’d disagree. Sports reporting is slanted towards league and team. I don’t entirely blame journalists since teams control things like credentials and interview access but I’m struggling to think of a major sports news outlet that you could call “pro-player.” It is less pronounced in college sports than at the professional level at least; perhaps because there (previously) was “no money” involved and you can’t accuse guys who “aren’t getting paid” of being overpaid or greedy.

Maybe I didn’t articulate that well. The world of sports media is heavily comprised of ex-players. Perhaps not in the journalistic sense, but those on television and those who are the ones where we often get the most “takes” from. I think we can disagree regarding value or worth related to the specifics of every example, but the contract saga of Dak was a great example. Guys in the media largely just root for the player to “get the bag” because they want to appear pro-player, so that the players like them - whether they as a media member are an ex-player or not.

I rarely ever read or see media types providing differing perspectives in contract disputes or free agency conversations, because they all tend to root for these players to just make as much money as possible. So anyone can disagree on what a player in any example is worth, but when you listen to the talking heads, they all seem to heavily favor the player’s side of the negotiations.

[IUP24]

When you start dealing with big money, the sharks come out. Both sides are learning some lessons.

The money is the money. It will always exist -- legally or illegally. I actually think the 'money' was cleaner when it was illegal than now when it's legal.

If these kids can get it (legally) ... get it. What, about 98% of them aren't going pro. What job awaits? They may work 10 years to make what they can get in a one-year NIL deal. There's a lot of stories of those who allegedly got screwed over, but there are some who got (and are getting) serious checks. What do you think Livvy Dunne is going to make this year at LSU? There's only so much loyalty. See how loyal these programs are to you when you blow your knee out. On to the next. It's why scholarships are year to year. When you aren't useful to the program, you're gone. Coaches leave on a whim after yapping about loyalty for their whole tenure. It's just a cut-throat business. And, at the high level, it is a big business.

My main heartache is the redshirt item. The 'play in four games and still redshirt' was designed specifically to get young players on the field. They could get some experience while still taking the redshirt year. It was perfect for your higher-end true freshmen, etc. Think back before this rule when if you played in one game you burned your redshirt (Kenny Pickett playing against Miami comes to mind).

But, of course, a loophole was discovered in this new rule. And, it's a big one as we are seeing. Now you can simply pull a Derek Bell and go in to Operation Shutdown.

I'm not convinced this UNLV QB story is as cut and dry and both sides want us to believe. They very well may both have their hand in the cookie jar. Regardless, this player has now quit on his team, friends, etc. As somebody else pointed out, $100,000 isn't some big number. I'm sure we'll eventually learn more about this one.

The larger issue is the unlimited player movement. That’s the major driver. You can have the money flowing all around, but when you have the ability to just pack your things on a whim because of it, that’s where the problem lies.

I have no solution for how you fix that component of it.

No sport has unchecked free agency. That’s what college athletics has become.

[Ship69]

I think we’re usually fairly aligned on macro sports trends but this is one where I’d disagree. Sports reporting is slanted towards league and team. I don’t entirely blame journalists since teams control things like credentials and interview access but I’m struggling to think of a major sports news outlet that you could call “pro-player.” It is less pronounced in college sports than at the professional level at least; perhaps because there (previously) was “no money” involved and you can’t accuse guys who “aren’t getting paid” of being overpaid or greedy.

The "jockocracy" that Howard Cosell saw coming in sports years ago has reached fruition now. That hasn't been entirely bad as some of the former players and coaches obviously bring some insight into how the game is played and the experience of actually participating, but their journalistic skills sometimes leave a bit to be desired. Too much good ol' boy stuff and rah-rah at times.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

The "jockocracy" that Howard Cosell saw coming in sports years ago has reached fruition now. That hasn't been entirely bad as some of the former players and coaches obviously bring some insight into how the game is played and the experience of actually participating, but their journalistic skills sometimes leave a bit to be desired. Too much good ol' boy stuff and rah-rah at times.

If you ever listen to 'frat' types talk ... sums it up pretty well. Mix in the Maxim cover girl and you're all set.

[Fightingscot82]

The larger issue is the unlimited player movement. That’s the major driver. You can have the money flowing all around, but when you have the ability to just pack your things on a whim because of it, that’s where the problem lies.

I have no solution for how you fix that component of it.

No sport has unchecked free agency. That’s what college athletics has become.

College used to be the one place where that lack of loyalty was most strictly enforced. Instead this kid will have coaches lining up outside his house with big money offers.

[IUP24]

If you ever listen to 'frat' types talk ... sums it up pretty well. Mix in the Maxim cover girl and you're all set.

That’s all sports media is now. There’s a huge appetite for Jason Kelce ripping off his shirt and chugging a beer on national television, or dancing in a track suit on ESPN. I don’t get it. But it seems like that’s what people want in sports media now.

It’s not for me.

[IUP24]

College used to be the one place where that lack of loyalty was most strictly enforced. Instead this kid will have coaches lining up outside his house with big money offers.

I don’t like the culture of sports in the manner that it is moving. I’m not “anti-player.” But I’m not “let the players have every ounce of power to do what they want.” At the end of the day, everybody has a boss and somebody is always going to make more money in the business.

Im not even talking about college football in a vacuum. Thinking about pro sports… Players with multiple years left on their contract refusing to play until they are given more money. Players demanding trades the second something does not go their way. I could go on.

[iupgroundhog]

I sort of skim over this thread because I read them all. But I have no interest in these happenings of who is being offered what, etc.

That college sports has become this is terrible, IMO. I see the same sentiments being expressed by the posters who follow it the most.

Right now, correct me if I'm wrong, there are 18-19 year old kids who might not really even qualify academically, making more money than the university president. That's crazy. I don't think it's sustainable in its present form. I think the relationship with the universities has to change somehow. I don't know how, though.

[TheBigCat2192]

Maybe I didn’t articulate that well. The world of sports media is heavily comprised of ex-players. Perhaps not in the journalistic sense, but those on television and those who are the ones where we often get the most “takes” from. I think we can disagree regarding value or worth related to the specifics of every example, but the contract saga of Dak was a great example. Guys in the media largely just root for the player to “get the bag” because they want to appear pro-player, so that the players like them - whether they as a media member are an ex-player or not.

I rarely ever read or see media types providing differing perspectives in contract disputes or free agency conversations, because they all tend to root for these players to just make as much money as possible. So anyone can disagree on what a player in any example is worth, but when you listen to the talking heads, they all seem to heavily favor the player’s side of the negotiations.

Perhaps this is just a case of two opinions both being correct. I don’t listen to much sports radio (occasionally a bit of WIP) or watch much sports TV. In the written sports coverage world (print or online) I find that news and analysis still tends to generally lean towards the teams. The biggest exception I can think of is probably Fangraphs and even that is somewhat of a more recent change (~6 years or from a site closing in on 20 years of coverage). I do agree that former players tend to be the biggest supporters of current players getting big paydays, at least from my experience listening/watching.