OT: D1

[IUPNation]

Is Brian Kelly walking the plank in Baton Rouge?

He’s forever 1-6 vs IUP.

[IUPNation]

Temple's lack of success in football historically really goes back to two things:

1) A lack of institutional support for football

2) A lack of fan support, including from alumni, related to the nature of the school (and item #1)

With the former, Temple generally speaking has not provided significant financial support for the program. That is less of an issue than it was prior to the mid-2000s, but it is still an issue.

With the latter, Temple was founded as a night school for what I'll call non-traditional (i.e., adult) students. (Incidentally, this is why Temple's nickname is the Owls.) For many, many years, a high percentage of Temple students did not live on campus and were commuters. For most of those students, this created less of a bond to the school compared to students living on/near campus.

The net result of these two factors is that 1) Temple has historically not been successful in football and 2) most of their alumni are not strong supporters of the athletic program.

I'll note that for many years Temple DID have its own stadium, Temple Stadium, which was built in the 1920s and used until the 1970s. But even with that venue, Temple Stadium was located a few miles from (north of) campus, just inside the Philadelphia city limits. The area where Temple's main campus is located was already built up when the school was founded in 1884.

Temple Stadium was even harder for students on campus to get to and looks just about if not further from campus than The Linc. At least now they just get on the subway. To get up to where the old stadium was located would probably require a few bus transfers. Temple just is not a sports school. Basketball was about it and now it’s not much of a program.

[Bart]

Temple's lack of success in football historically really goes back to two things:

1) A lack of institutional support for football

2) A lack of fan support, including from alumni, related to the nature of the school (and item #1)

With the former, Temple generally speaking has not provided significant financial support for the program. That is less of an issue than it was prior to the mid-2000s, but it is still an issue.

With the latter, Temple was founded as a night school for what I'll call non-traditional (i.e., adult) students. (Incidentally, this is why Temple's nickname is the Owls.) For many, many years, a high percentage of Temple students did not live on campus and were commuters. For most of those students, this created less of a bond to the school compared to students living on/near campus.

The net result of these two factors is that 1) Temple has historically not been successful in football and 2) most of their alumni are not strong supporters of the athletic program.

I'll note that for many years Temple DID have its own stadium, Temple Stadium, which was built in the 1920s and used until the 1970s. But even with that venue, Temple Stadium was located a few miles from (north of) campus, just inside the Philadelphia city limits. The area where Temple's main campus is located was already built up when the school was founded in 1884.

Interesting. Philadelphia probably is the largest city with a NCAA D1 football school. It may be difficult for colleges to compete for fans with NFL teams in major cities, although Temple basketball program is the 6th winning-est D1 program of all time.

[IUPNation]

Interesting. Philadelphia probably is the largest city with a NCAA D1 football school. It may be difficult for colleges to compete for fans with NFL teams in major cities, although Temple basketball program is the 6th winning-est D1 program of all time.

Los Angeles.

and the college teams there gave better support than the pro teams.

[iupgroundhog]

Interesting. Philadelphia probably is the largest city with a NCAA D1 football school. It may be difficult for colleges to compete for fans with NFL teams in major cities, although Temple basketball program is the 6th winning-est D1 program of all time.

Houston

[EastStroud13]

It doesn't help that Temple is stuck in a far-flung conference, playing teams that by-and-large, nobody in the Philadelphia area cares about. You look at the schedule this year, and the home games were Coastal Carolina, Utah State, Army, Tulsa, Florida Atlantic, and North Texas. Other than Army, who cares about the other games?

I've long thought that Temple needs to bit the bullet and drop to FCS (or drop football entirely). Ever since leaving the A-10, Temple basketball is nowhere near what it used to be. They are tanking basketball in pursuit of a football golden goose that they will never reach.

[Fightingscot82]

Former ESU player and SRU offensive coordinator Phil Longo has been let go by Wisconsin.

[CHIP72]

It doesn't help that Temple is stuck in a far-flung conference, playing teams that by-and-large, nobody in the Philadelphia area cares about. You look at the schedule this year, and the home games were Coastal Carolina, Utah State, Army, Tulsa, Florida Atlantic, and North Texas. Other than Army, who cares about the other games?

I've long thought that Temple needs to bit the bullet and drop to FCS (or drop football entirely). Ever since leaving the A-10, Temple basketball is nowhere near what it used to be. They are tanking basketball in pursuit of a football golden goose that they will never reach.

I definitely agree with the first part above.

With the second part, it wouldn't make sense for Temple to drop to DI-AA/FCS because they don't have a current football stadium on campus of any sort. Spending millions of dollars to build a stadium to hold games few people will attend (Temple's attendance, already poor, will be much worse if they drop in classification) would be a bad decision financially IMO.

[Fightingscot82]

Tom Herman out at FAU

[IUPNation]

Tom Herman out at FAU

Schools with Owls as the mascot all fired their coaches.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Tom Herman out at FAU

Talk about a fall from grace.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Twitter is gonna feast on Curt when he loses (if he loses).

[IUPNation]

Twitter is gonna feast on Curt when he loses (if he loses).

Why? Nobody has ever cranked out 10 wins at Fake Indiana.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Why? Nobody has ever cranked out 10 wins at Fake Indiana.

He's been pretty mouthy. His little soundbytes will get played up big time once they lose (if).

[iupgroundhog]

He's been pretty mouthy. His little soundbytes will get played up big time once they lose (if).

I haven't really heard his soundbites but I think it's a mouthy soundbite world these days. That stuff might even be an asset.

I don't think Curt can lose today (aside from on the scoreboard, of course). Just the fact that he has IU playing tOSU and everybody is watching is a win. It would be incredible if he wins but I don't think it will hurt him in the public eye if they lose.