OT: D1

[Fightingscot82]

I enjoy both Finebaum and Cowherd. To an extent, they both have to play the villain. They have to keep this interesting for 5-6 months.

It just makes me cringe to hear the CFP has to use spots on teams with absolutely zero business being in the field.

I'm still of the belief the P4 is D1. The G5 could become some form of 1-AA and have its own playoffs similar to FCS.

To penalize Texas for playing (and losing closely) at Ohio State ... just doesn't sit right. If that happens, nobody will ever sign for these big non-conference games ever again. There's no point.

Imagine Texas, Miami and Notre Dame left out and freaking James Madison gets in.

The TV networks may explode more than Finebaum.

Agree to disagree. Put all FBS in the same playoff. Equal access to conference champions. Fill at large spots with independents or some sort of objective measure. Nobody wants to watch in real time but forever talks about the cinderella upsets we all want.

[Fightingscot82]

Ohio U in the MAC put out a weird release yesterday that the DC is now also interim head coach. Buried in the release is that current head coach Brian Smith was placed on leave indefinitely without reason. So the other OU may be open.

[TheBigCat2192]

The goal of this obviously can't be to put the actual 12 best teams in the field.

The committee has always been very careful to avoid publicly stating whether the criteria is “# best” or some idea of “# most deserving.” I think their picks have generally tended toward best over deserving but the rules and last season’s field had a mix of both. There were also three at-large choices where “best” and “most deserving” somewhat intersected in PSU, SMU, and Texas who all fit the profile of “11-2 P5 CCG loser that most computer systems saw as top 8-12.” Truth be told I think the committee has only really made the wrong decision 2-4 times in the first 10 years of doing this although last year had two of these more questionable picks in my eyes (Tennessee and Indiana; I probably would have bumped the Vols for BYU or Miami and would have understood leaving the Hoosiers out as well.)

[Ram040506]

I enjoy both Finebaum and Cowherd. To an extent, they both have to play the villain. They have to keep this interesting for 5-6 months.

It just makes me cringe to hear the CFP has to use spots on teams with absolutely zero business being in the field.

I'm still of the belief the P4 is D1. The G5 could become some form of 1-AA and have its own playoffs similar to FCS.

To penalize Texas for playing (and losing closely) at Ohio State ... just doesn't sit right. If that happens, nobody will ever sign for these big non-conference games ever again. There's no point.

Imagine Texas, Miami and Notre Dame left out and freaking James Madison gets in.

The TV networks may explode more than Finebaum.

Texas has no business in the playoffs this year. It wasn't the loss to Ohio State, it's the loss to Florida that knocked them out. The blowout against Georgia doesn't help either. Or the survive by the skin of your teeth against a bad Kentucky team this year. They aren't that good.

The Miami and ND dynamic is way more fascinating. Head to head has to matter. ND is playing great though, but if they get in over Miami then your question of why schedule that game is even a bigger WTF question.

[Fightingscot82]

I hear you, but this isn't basketball. Give Notre Dame weeks to prepare for James Madison and it will be 75-7.

But, if that's what they want, so be it.

I watched in person last year SMU look like a freshman team playing the varsity up at JoePa's house. It was awful. And, that was the ACC champion.

The goal of this obviously can't be to put the actual 12 best teams in the field.

Yes, but...consider it from the D2 perspective. There have been several years that the #2 team from the GLIAC or MIAA was universally considered "better" than the best PSAC team.

[Chuck Norris]

I enjoy both Finebaum and Cowherd. To an extent, they both have to play the villain. They have to keep this interesting for 5-6 months.

It just makes me cringe to hear the CFP has to use spots on teams with absolutely zero business being in the field.

I'm still of the belief the P4 is D1. The G5 could become some form of 1-AA and have its own playoffs similar to FCS.

To penalize Texas for playing (and losing closely) at Ohio State ... just doesn't sit right. If that happens, nobody will ever sign for these big non-conference games ever again. There's no point.

Imagine Texas, Miami and Notre Dame left out and freaking James Madison gets in.

The TV networks may explode more than Finebaum.

The TV networks can get bent. I couldn’t watch two Saturdays of most of the biggest games because millionaires and billionaires were squabbling over how to make themselves a little bit richer. They can cry me a river over having to air a playoff game with James Madison in it.

In all honesty I don’t disagree that two G5s in a 12 team field is a bit much. There will certainly be tweaks to the setup as there were after last season. I’m sure the possibility of a really mediocre Duke team winning the ACC caught everybody off guard.

Otherwise, it’s a college playoff. Until the day the BIG and SEC break away and form their own uniform professional league, somebody(s) is getting left out. And sure, we’re heading toward the end of big early season non conference matchups but we were getting there anyway. We’ll just start seeing more conference games in the opening weeks of the season.

[Fightingscot82]

The TV networks can get bent. I couldn’t watch two Saturdays of most of the biggest games because millionaires and billionaires were squabbling over how to make themselves a little bit richer. They can cry me a river over having to air a playoff game with James Madison in it.

In all honesty I don’t disagree that two G5s in a 12 team field is a bit much. There will certainly be tweaks to the setup as there were after last season. I’m sure the possibility of a really mediocre Duke team winning the ACC caught everybody off guard.

Otherwise, it’s a college playoff. Until the day the BIG and SEC break away and form their own uniform professional league, somebody(s) is getting left out. And sure, we’re heading toward the end of big early season non conference matchups but we were getting there anyway. We’ll just start seeing more conference games in the opening weeks of the season.

The irony of the networks trying to prevent a Duke or James Madison from getting into the playoff is that for several years after, replays of the famous Michigan-Appalachian State game got better ratings than most bowl games. I'll have to see where I saw that cited.

[Ship69]

I hear you, but this isn't basketball. Give Notre Dame weeks to prepare for James Madison and it will be 75-7.

But, if that's what they want, so be it.

I watched in person last year SMU look like a freshman team playing the varsity up at JoePa's house. It was awful. And, that was the ACC champion.

The goal of this obviously can't be to put the actual 12 best teams in the field.

There probably aren't going to be more than a couple dozen schools who can consistently come up with the kind of money it's going to require to be a big D1 winner in the future. Sure, you might have someone occasionally sneak in there like Indiana coming up with the money and Cignetti, but that won't be the norm. Might as well acknowledge that now and go to D1 divisions 2-A and 1-A, or whatever else they can come up with.

There will be more lower-seed upsets in basketball, because more teams are able to get the 2-3 studs needed in that sport vs. the 20 or more needed in football, but you still have a lot of lousy games in that tournament. I don't see the value of a team that couldn't even finish in the top three in its own league being placed in a tournament, but that's where we are. When people used to point out how few bowl games Northwestern had participated in before Pat Fitzgerald, that was true, but they seldom mentioned that for much of Northwestern's history you either won the Big 10 or stayed home. I remember Ara Parseghian having a 7-2 team at Northwestern that was ranked No. 1 for part of the season and killed OOC foes such as South Carolina and Miami. They sustained some injuries, got knocked out of the Big 10 lead, and stayed home. It was Rose Bowl or bust.

[Ship69]

The TV networks can get bent. I couldn’t watch two Saturdays of most of the biggest games because millionaires and billionaires were squabbling over how to make themselves a little bit richer. They can cry me a river over having to air a playoff game with James Madison in it.

In all honesty I don’t disagree that two G5s in a 12 team field is a bit much. There will certainly be tweaks to the setup as there were after last season. I’m sure the possibility of a really mediocre Duke team winning the ACC caught everybody off guard.

Otherwise, it’s a college playoff. Until the day the BIG and SEC break away and form their own uniform professional league, somebody(s) is getting left out. And sure, we’re heading toward the end of big early season non conference matchups but we were getting there anyway. We’ll just start seeing more conference games in the opening weeks of the season.

Well, they will soon be going to a 16-team playoff, and probably someday even a 24-playoff, so we'll have the privilege of watching a sixth-place SEC team and a 4-5 B1G team going for the national title. And somebody will still be screaming about not being included. And can you imagine the anguish at the big-money schools if their team doesn't make a 16- or 24-team playoff? There will be more firing of coaches than ever.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Well, they will soon be going to a 16-team playoff, and probably someday even a 24-playoff, so we'll have the privilege of watching a sixth-place SEC team and a 4-5 B1G team going for the national title. And somebody will still be screaming about not being included. And can you imagine the anguish at the big-money schools if their team doesn't make a 16- or 24-team playoff? There will be more firing of coaches than ever.

What's funny about the upcoming playoff expansion is, in reality, it's just the pimps working the whores even harder (and longer). Hell, they'll be playing a longer season than the NFL.

I guess we're past even pretending the 'student' part of 'student athlete' matters.

On the 'student' subject ... I'd just love to see the transcripts of these kids who play for 4 teams in 4 years.

Obviously, Ship has direct ties to the most infamous of all the school-hoppers. Imagine the swag collection. Six schools has to be a record.

[ctrabs74]

I enjoy both Finebaum and Cowherd. To an extent, they both have to play the villain. They have to keep this interesting for 5-6 months.

It just makes me cringe to hear the CFP has to use spots on teams with absolutely zero business being in the field.

I'm still of the belief the P4 is D1. The G5 could become some form of 1-AA and have its own playoffs similar to FCS.

To penalize Texas for playing (and losing closely) at Ohio State ... just doesn't sit right. If that happens, nobody will ever sign for these big non-conference games ever again. There's no point.

Imagine Texas, Miami and Notre Dame left out and freaking James Madison gets in.

The TV networks may explode more than Finebaum.

Texas is being penalized more for losing to 4-8 Florida than for losing to Ohio State (then again, the Orange Moo Moos got their doors blown off by Georgia, so that didn't help their cause either). And the fact that the Domers lost to Miami didn't seem to hurt them in the CFP rankings (even though the Domers' schedule outside of Miami and NIL aTm was weaker than Millersville's defense).

[ctrabs74]

Yes, but...consider it from the D2 perspective. There have been several years that the #2 team from the GLIAC or MIAA was universally considered "better" than the best PSAC team.

The fifth or sixth team from the old GLIAC, the MIAA or even the LSC would be better than most of the PSAC teams.

[ctrabs74]

Texas has no business in the playoffs this year. It wasn't the loss to Ohio State, it's the loss to Florida that knocked them out. The blowout against Georgia doesn't help either. Or the survive by the skin of your teeth against a bad Kentucky team this year. They aren't that good.

The Miami and ND dynamic is way more fascinating. Head to head has to matter. ND is playing great though, but if they get in over Miami then your question of why schedule that game is even a bigger WTF question.

Texas fans have become so delusional of the fact that the Orange Moo Moos played their way out of the CFP, they're still insisting that Texas weasels their way into the field because they're Texas...

Except, the Orange Moo Moos lost to Florida Man, as you noted.

If you thought NIL aTm (aka Texas A&M-College Station) fans were delusional nuts, take a peak at the idiots in Austin. I guess the SEC branding turns a fanbase into insufferable idiots...

[Chuck Norris]

Well, they will soon be going to a 16-team playoff, and probably someday even a 24-playoff, so we'll have the privilege of watching a sixth-place SEC team and a 4-5 B1G team going for the national title. And somebody will still be screaming about not being included. And can you imagine the anguish at the big-money schools if their team doesn't make a 16- or 24-team playoff? There will be more firing of coaches than ever.

16 is better than 12 in my opinion. It doesn’t add any more rounds to the tournament, just eliminates the byes, which I’ve argued since before last year’s playoffs aren’t an advantage anyway. The teams who get them are off for too long.

The coaches who get fired will get more money in their buyout than I’ll make in several lifetimes. I’m not shedding a single tear for that.

[IUPNation]

16 is better than 12 in my opinion. It doesn’t add any more rounds to the tournament, just eliminates the byes, which I’ve argued since before last year’s playoffs aren’t an advantage anyway. The teams who get them are off for too long.

The coaches who get fired will get more money in their buyout than I’ll make in several lifetimes. I’m not shedding a single tear for that.

Yes..having a bye isn’t necessary.