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[Ballin51]

Hi Guys. For the last couple of weeks I have been reading your post. Some of you make very good points. However, IMO you can't compare auto ACCIDENTS to Covid. I emphasized accidents because common sense says thats just what it is (check Webster). The virus initially attacked 65 n up, underlying issues, but now its 18-35. IMO, NOONE knows the outcome or a cure. Just like most of you do on here is assume. It's very mind-boggling how a few of you feel our children's lives playing football is not a risk. You talk about the politics of the sport and how much $$ they would lose. In REALITY the world would not end. Yes, the Athlete-Student could/would lose their scholarship if they chosed not to play because of the virus (pending law suits if reason being virus) but isn't that THEIR CHOICE? It appears you old-grumpy men feel you can't live without fb n hell with the rest of the world. It's so easy for you all to express "its only 1 death" in a younger person, but how would you feel if that ONE kid was your son, grandson, nephew or your best friend's kid? I know of a kid who wants to play so bad, their senior year but due to a certain situation he can't. Horrible as it is I believe in Divine Intervention. Call me silly or naive, IDC. Question for anyone: outside of the almighty $$$s, how terrible would it be to have NO fb this season. Just saying. GOS BLESS

[WarriorVoice]

Maybe because they've already said some schools may play and others won't be able to ...

NCAA will cancel a whole D1 season over Rutgers ... lol. Good luck with that one Mr. Doom and Gloom.

Hey, I want football. Not having football will literally cost me money. But no one saw the NCAA cancelling March Madness, until they did. Name-calling must have been a degree program of study at IUP, because you guys do that really well. Logic, not so much...

[WarriorVoice]

I'm sure you'll try to shame me, but a lot actually. People are simply learning to live with the virus and get on with life, right or wrong. In March, there were a ton of unknowns (and truthfully, there still are), but we have more information now than we did previously and that's why people want to proceed with life. Doctors have not found the magical treatment or vaccine, but they've found better approaches to treating patients that we didn't have in March. Remember the yelling and screaming about ventilators? Doctors say that's one of the worst things they can do for patients now. Depending on which study you pull, the survival rate for patients on ventilators is around 15%.

We learn more and more every week with regards to this virus. A few weeks ago we learned that asymptomatic spread appears to be rare. Studies are showing that COVID death toll numbers may be inflated by at least 25%, which seems to be a big number. Colorado just did an official study where they evaluated deaths in their hospitals and found that hospitals wrongly listed "COVID" as the cause of death in about 25% of their cases. They adjusted their death toll for the virus accordingly. Different states have estimated that 25-40% of their Coronavirus deaths have been nursing home related. In any non-pandemic situation, would we talk about nursing home deaths? Probably not. But stats indicate that those individuals die at alarmingly high rates every month for a variety of reasons (age, condition, etc.).

The reality is that we played last college football season with COVID on our sidelines and in our stadiums. Recent reports showing that this virus was spreading through China in August 2019. If that's the case, it was here too. People need to be careful, certainly. But when you do research that isn't driven by political talking points it allows you to peel back the layers and gain some clarity.

I'm not trying to shame anyone...We can argue numbers forever, but even if the deaths are 25% LOWER, THAT'S still 90,000 deaths in 4 months...That's not acceptable IMO. We still have no vaccine, and even herd immunity requires 70-90% infection among the population, and a vaccine. Maybe that's when we can relax and get back to normal...We're not there yet...

[IUPbigINDIANS]

The NCAA controls all athletics...If they say don't play, who's going to go against that?!?!? Why aren't you getting that?!

Maybe because they've already said some schools may play and others won't be able to ...

NCAA will cancel a whole D1 season over Rutgers ... lol. Good luck with that one Mr. Doom and Gloom.

[IUP24]

As I've said numerous times now, we saw it happen in March. Why would now be any different with no vaccine in place? It seems we've learned nothing in the last 3 months and that is really sad...March Madness is one of the NCAA's biggest money makers and they didn't hesitate to pull the plug...What's changed since March? Many more people are sick...

I'm sure you'll try to shame me, but a lot actually. People are simply learning to live with the virus and get on with life, right or wrong. In March, there were a ton of unknowns (and truthfully, there still are), but we have more information now than we did previously and that's why people want to proceed with life. Doctors have not found the magical treatment or vaccine, but they've found better approaches to treating patients that we didn't have in March. Remember the yelling and screaming about ventilators? Doctors say that's one of the worst things they can do for patients now. Depending on which study you pull, the survival rate for patients on ventilators is around 15%.

We learn more and more every week with regards to this virus. A few weeks ago we learned that asymptomatic spread appears to be rare. Studies are showing that COVID death toll numbers may be inflated by at least 25%, which seems to be a big number. Colorado just did an official study where they evaluated deaths in their hospitals and found that hospitals wrongly listed "COVID" as the cause of death in about 25% of their cases. They adjusted their death toll for the virus accordingly. Different states have estimated that 25-40% of their Coronavirus deaths have been nursing home related. In any non-pandemic situation, would we talk about nursing home deaths? Probably not. But stats indicate that those individuals die at alarmingly high rates every month for a variety of reasons (age, condition, etc.).

The reality is that we played last college football season with COVID on our sidelines and in our stadiums. Recent reports showing that this virus was spreading through China in August 2019. If that's the case, it was here too. People need to be careful, certainly. But when you do research that isn't driven by political talking points it allows you to peel back the layers and gain some clarity.

[WarriorVoice]

That may be a tough call for any conference let alone the NCAA if a SUBSTANTIAL MAJORITY of teams are ready and willing to play. In the PSAC if 1-3 teams e.g.WCU, MU, SHU say they're not able to get it together but the other 13 say let's get it on, the complete shutdown may be a rather hard sell. We'll know in 10 weeks or less.

I get all of your scenarios, but in March, not every team was seeing positive tests, and it didn't matter...

[WarriorVoice]

The D2 ranks ... I could see the solidarity thing happening. There's next to no media pressure and, being honest, next to no money to be made.

The D1 ranks, however, solidarity won't exist. If Rutgers can't play and the rest of the BIG can ... see ya next year Rutgers. The TV deals, etc., ... the money is just too big.

I'm still betting the PSAC gives it a shot. How you control a football team once the pretty girls come back, etc., just seems like an impossible task.

The NCAA controls all athletics...If they say don't play, who's going to go against that?!?!? Why aren't you getting that?!

[WarriorVoice]

That may be a tough call for any conference let alone the NCAA if a SUBSTANTIAL MAJORITY of teams are ready and willing to play. In the PSAC if 1-3 teams e.g.WCU, MU, SHU say they're not able to get it together but the other 13 say let's get it on, the complete shutdown may be a rather hard sell. We'll know in 10 weeks or less.

As I've said numerous times now, we saw it happen in March. Why would now be any different with no vaccine in place? It seems we've learned nothing in the last 3 months and that is really sad...March Madness is one of the NCAA's biggest money makers and they didn't hesitate to pull the plug...What's changed since March? Many more people are sick...

[IUPbigINDIANS]

That may be a tough call for any conference let alone the NCAA if a SUBSTANTIAL MAJORITY of teams are ready and willing to play. In the PSAC if 1-3 teams e.g.WCU, MU, SHU say they're not able to get it together but the other 13 say let's get it on, the complete shutdown may be a rather hard sell. We'll know in 10 weeks or less.

The D2 ranks ... I could see the solidarity thing happening. There's next to no media pressure and, being honest, next to no money to be made.

The D1 ranks, however, solidarity won't exist. If Rutgers can't play and the rest of the BIG can ... see ya next year Rutgers. The TV deals, etc., ... the money is just too big.

I'm still betting the PSAC gives it a shot. How you control a football team once the pretty girls come back, etc., just seems like an impossible task.

[CALUPA69]

I think it's more likely that if ANY school has a serious issue, the league will step in, and the season would end. That assumes the NCAA doesn't act first. I'd expect solidarity among the schools...I base that on what has happened so far...Everything thus far has been done from a sanctioning body rather than an individual team. MLB shut down EVERY facility when the Phillies announced an outbreak...Have to expect the same thing in the Collegiate ranks...Fair or not, it has to be that way...It won't be a competition based on who can stay healthier...

That may be a tough call for any conference let alone the NCAA if a SUBSTANTIAL MAJORITY of teams are ready and willing to play. In the PSAC if 1-3 teams e.g.WCU, MU, SHU say they're not able to get it together but the other 13 say let's get it on, the complete shutdown may be a rather hard sell. We'll know in 10 weeks or less.

[WarriorVoice]

If IUP decides not to play and the rest of the league does ... goodbye program. There'd be nobody left. Wait and see what happens to West Chester if they can't go. They'll be gutted.

I think it's more likely that if ANY school has a serious issue, the league will step in, and the season would end. That assumes the NCAA doesn't act first. I'd expect solidarity among the schools...I base that on what has happened so far...Everything thus far has been done from a sanctioning body rather than an individual team. MLB shut down EVERY facility when the Phillies announced an outbreak...Have to expect the same thing in the Collegiate ranks...Fair or not, it has to be that way...It won't be a competition based on who can stay healthier...

[Bart]

If IUP decides not to play and the rest of the league does ... goodbye program. There'd be nobody left. Wait and see what happens to West Chester if they can't go. They'll be gutted.

Why would West Chester not play football? They are in the green phase just like everyone else. If they don't play, nobody else plays.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

How many IUP players will bolt if their season is cancelled?...It's not like there's a dome around one particular school's facilities...Do you guys actually talk to players or do you just like making stuff up?!

If IUP decides not to play and the rest of the league does ... goodbye program. There'd be nobody left. Wait and see what happens to West Chester if they can't go. They'll be gutted.

[WarriorVoice]

Why are most schools planning to open in less than two months? Surely, they know what's going to happen when you put thousands of drunk (and high), hormone-raging 18-21 year-olds back on these campuses. Will there be social distancing enforcers at the Alpha Beta house or in college bars (no chance)? How clean will the campus dining spots -- largely run by 19-year-old students -- be kept? Better yet, what if they do go online only? How many students drop out and say they'll be back when things are normal (and then never come back, or go somewhere else)? Opening is a gamble but they can't afford not to roll the dice. Parts of the country will play football. Some won't.

What's it going to cost West Chester if they cancel the football season there and 60 players enter the transfer portal within 24 hours? I can guarantee that will happen. That's a whole lot of enrollment coin for a team of alleged walk-ons -- not to mention it would set the program back years.

Many schools are going to play the PR game and say all the right things. Reality is they can't control students when they aren't in their buildings. College life is going back to college life the moment these kids come back to town. Who knows. Maybe nothing drastic happens. Athletes would be given the opportunity to be kept safe -- if they follow protocols and make smart decisions off the field. And, ... that's a real big freakin' IF. Boys will be boys.

Taking the field is a real big decision. It's not an easy one. We keep mentioning student-athletes on here. Regular students may be at more risk than athletes. Then again, we're all at risk. Is a football player at any more risk than the cashier at Wal-Mart? Probably not.

ESPN ran a great piece a couple days ago and it centered around former Michigan QB Devon Gardner. He said football is the means to college for so many of these players. And, playing today is a risk most would easily take. He said he'd have never got in to Michigan if he wasn't a football player -- or, even if he could get in, could have never afforded it.

The only certainty is you can't stop time. Each hour that passes gets closer to August. I guess we'll know soon enough. We may even see some athletes who say they aren't going to take the chance and walk away from it. They'd just be replaced.

How many IUP players will bolt if their season is cancelled?...It's not like there's a dome around one particular school's facilities...Do you guys actually talk to players or do you just like making stuff up?!

[IUPbigINDIANS]

The Steelers announced today they've had two players test positive. Both went through the protocol and both are now back with the team.