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Originally posted by Bart View Post
If schools lose their names, I think they'll lose alumni support. If Bloom turns into Northern University, I have no interest in it and I am out. When the Baltimore Colts left Baltimore, I left them. When schools change the names of buildings based on a donation, I lose confidence in them. When Cat Stevens changed his name to Yusuf Islam, I still liked his music, but where did Cat Stevens go. What's in a name? As Jim Croce sang "Like the pine trees linin' the windin' road I've got a name, I've got a name Like the singin' bird and the croakin' toad I've got a name, I've got a name And I carry it with me like my daddy did".
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Thanks for sharing those additional pieces. If West Chester is indeed fully immune from any possible consolidation/merger, then Cheyney is toast. The only possible merger for them is Lincoln - but then you're merging state owned with state affiliated. A marriage of the oldest with the first in such close proximity is a good match. Or my idea of turning Cheyney into a residential two-year school to improve college readiness, which is different than the mission of all the community colleges in its vicinity.
I disagree with the immunity. Would the state give a state park office immunity from merging with a nearby park? No.
I still think the only thing that's going to save PASSHE is some form of handshake agreement that ties increased funding to tuition management. As fewer students attend college for the party, our reputations should improve a bit. But the cost to attend has to be too hard to pass up over the Pitt/PSU branches and the privates. That doesn't really happen without a significant increase on the state side.
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Originally posted by boatcapt View PostThat's actually opposite of what you said. While the Colts left Baltimore, they didn't change their name. And it seems like the Baltimore Ravens have quite the following among former Colt fans.
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Originally posted by Bart View Post
The Baltimore Colts left Baltimore in 1984 and became the Indianapolis Colts. Baltimore didn't have a team until 1996. I liked Baltimore, and could care less about the mascot name colts. I don't want Bloomsburg University to become Northern University, whether they are huskies or not. That's it.
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Originally posted by Bart View Post
The Baltimore Colts left Baltimore in 1984 and became the Indianapolis Colts. Baltimore didn't have a team until 1996. I liked Baltimore, and could care less about the mascot name colts. I don't want Bloomsburg University to become Northern University, whether they are huskies or not. That's it.
Alumni donations could take a dip, you're right. Then again whatever the new entity comes to be they will be soliciting $$ from you.
I would think the town names would be retained no matter what, at least as part of it.
Identity is lost or compromised all the time. IUP lost part of its unique identity when PASSHE was formed and all the other schools became XXX of Pennsylvania. There was a reason IUP was named that way but there really wasn't for the others. The effect was that it equalized the other schools to IUP. As I've said many times PASSHE was the first IUP Rule.
This has always made me think of my older sister who graduated from the Philipsburg State School of Nursing in 1967. None of those state nursing schools exist anymore. They outlived their purpose and were shut down. Think about that. There are precedents (even though they say they won't close any PASSHE schools).
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Originally posted by Bart View Post
I think we are already in round 15 and it won't be long before it is over. I recall in the eighties, the system was pushing to rename all the schools. It was going to be something like Pennsylvania University System at Bloomsburg, Pennsylvania University System at California, and so on. Bloom's president McCormick was in favor of the name change. He had a building on campus with his name on it, and I wondered if they should change the name of it too. It was the only time I ever wrote a letter to the newspaper editor for print. For whom the bell tolls.
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
Then when push comes to shove you should speak up about it. Write another Letter to the Editor. Go to the meetings and tell them.
Alumni donations could take a dip, you're right. Then again whatever the new entity comes to be they will be soliciting $$ from you.
I would think the town names would be retained no matter what, at least as part of it.
Identity is lost or compromised all the time. IUP lost part of its unique identity when PASSHE was formed and all the other schools became XXX of Pennsylvania. There was a reason IUP was named that way but there really wasn't for the others. The effect was that it equalized the other schools to IUP. As I've said many times PASSHE was the first IUP Rule.
This has always made me think of my older sister who graduated from the Philipsburg State School of Nursing in 1967. None of those state nursing schools exist anymore. They outlived their purpose and were shut down. Think about that. There are precedents (even though they say they won't close any PASSHE schools).
Te real question to ask alums is are you so wedded to the current name that you would prefer us going out of business vice changing it? That could be the choice.
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Originally posted by CALUPA69 View Post
Just a guess but if they're trying to draw up a plan to save the system, alumni loyalty based on the sports following is likely way down the list of considerations. Speaking ONLY for me, if the entire system was rebranded and the CAL U VULCANS became the SOUTHWEST PA UNIVERSITY VULCANS, I'd be right there cheering them on. Especially if that rebranding meant more potential students were interested in attending a school without the funky name.
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Originally posted by Bart View Post
You do have a Cal icon, right? Mansfied students still wear their gear.
As for this MB, all is good. I still support my VULCANS win or lose and I will always be CALUPA69 so everyone out there can distinguish me from your run of the mill alte cocker.Last edited by CALUPA69; 06-26-2020, 07:40 PM.
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Originally posted by WarriorVoice View Post
That's drastic change, and I don't see PA doing anything that monumental, at least not in my lifetime...I think they'll more than likely look at moving Cheyney under West Chester's umbrella. Perhaps a merger between Mansfield and Lock Haven. Glaciers have melted faster than the PA legislature doing anything these days...
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