PASSHE Institutions Merging

[Bart]

Kids shouldn't be in a church. That should be an adult pursuit.

I actually didn't think critically about it until I was at IUP.

I noticed nobody was going to hell for eating meat on Fridays during Lent.

It took not even a year in college to realize religion and going to church was for the birds.

Every religion is made up.

If people choose them...fine with me...just keep it from making my life miserable and keep it out of the gubmint.

I don't care what they do in their church.

So you are an atheist.

[IUPNation]

So you are an atheist.

No. Agnostic.

Seeing is believing to me.

[Bart]

No. Agnostic.

Seeing is believing to me.

Is your first name Thomas? Old quote about what is essential is invisible to the eye. You do a good job defending private schools when it comes to sports. Lots of posters don't like the privates recruiting because they win everything.

[IUPNation]

Is your first name Thomas? Old quote about what is essential is invisible to the eye. You do a good job defending private schools when it comes to sports. Lots of posters don't like the privates recruiting because they win everything.

I don’t defend them because they are private and I support them more..it’s the exclusionary language used by those to want to separate kids. It’s a triggering thing for me being on the short end of the stick and being told I can’t have the same rights because..

I always said the PIAA rules for classification for private schools should be different criteria to put them in a proper class. Not every private is St Joes. Most of them can’t keep up with public’s..so the schools with money and recruits should play higher and not based on enrollment. A 4A public could have twice as many students as a 4A private with cash. Thats how you balance to make fair but allow for everyone to participate. Separate titles is kind of lame too. Notre Dame can win National Titles right?

Also seeing us believing. How come we can’t see heaven with all our space stuff. How did Jesus fly away? Did he make it into outer space with no space suit. You seriously don’t want me to go down that route..I can ask those questions for hours. I am a priest/pastors worst nightmare.

[Bart]

Also seeing us believing. How come we can’t see heaven with all our space stuff. How did Jesus fly away? Did he make it into outer space with no space suit. You seriously don’t want me to go down that route..I can ask those questions for hours. I am a priest/pastors worst nightmare.

“Saw Inception. Or at least I dreamt I did…” —Michael Scott

[BlueBlood]

There are more than one house with WVU flags on them in my neighborhood. Why kids from here go there is puzzling when there are better options in PA.

I have a few friends who grew up in PA and went to WVU. The story for almost all of them: grew up in a PSU family and they didn’t get accepted at PSU. They still wanted the football school experience.

[Fightingscot82]

I don’t defend them because they are private and I support them more..it’s the exclusionary language used by those to want to separate kids. It’s a triggering thing for me being on the short end of the stick and being told I can’t have the same rights because..

I always said the PIAA rules for classification for private schools should be different criteria to put them in a proper class. Not every private is St Joes. Most of them can’t keep up with public’s..so the schools with money and recruits should play higher and not based on enrollment. A 4A public could have twice as many students as a 4A private with cash. Thats how you balance to make fair but allow for everyone to participate. Separate titles is kind of lame too. Notre Dame can win National Titles right?

Also seeing us believing. How come we can’t see heaven with all our space stuff. How did Jesus fly away? Did he make it into outer space with no space suit. You seriously don’t want me to go down that route..I can ask those questions for hours. I am a priest/pastors worst nightmare.

I think the PIAA should set a geographic radius for privates. Every public has one. You can't play for Southern Columbia if you live in Bloomsburg, but you can play for St. Joes if you live in Delaware? This would also block the international importing that schools like Kennedy Catholic did for years. Clearly Sven the 6'9" 17 year old from Iceland chose Mercer County, PA for the education but Xavier from Hopewell can't move three streets down and go to Aliquippa without the PIAA questioning him.

[IUPNation]

I think the PIAA should set a geographic radius for privates. Every public has one. You can't play for Southern Columbia if you live in Bloomsburg, but you can play for St. Joes if you live in Delaware? This would also block the international importing that schools like Kennedy Catholic did for years. Clearly Sven the 6'9" 17 year old from Iceland chose Mercer County, PA for the education but Xavier from Hopewell can't move three streets down and go to Aliquippa without the PIAA questioning him.

That sounds fair. At one time Philadelphia Catholic League diocese owned schools were bound by what parishes they could draw students from but that went away as enrollments plummeted.

But then being able to draw from anywhere should put that private way up in classification. Maybe that Kennedy Catholic should be in 5A and not in the dinky classification.

Let’s not say public’s can’t compete. If Downingtown was still one high school they would be unstoppable in most sports. East and West are good at almost everything. There are kids everywhere in this area. Central Bucks would be the same if they hadn’t opened a third high school. They watered themselves down.

The PIAA does need to reform how it classifies schools and having different criteria for privates is not treating them differently like they are garbage but it takes in to account their advantages in enrolling students. And yes if kids are getting recruited into Aliquippa then the Quips play up too. Just how it goes…

[Ship69]

I think the PIAA should set a geographic radius for privates. Every public has one. You can't play for Southern Columbia if you live in Bloomsburg, but you can play for St. Joes if you live in Delaware? This would also block the international importing that schools like Kennedy Catholic did for years. Clearly Sven the 6'9" 17 year old from Iceland chose Mercer County, PA for the education but Xavier from Hopewell can't move three streets down and go to Aliquippa without the PIAA questioning him.

Nah, I think they need separate tournaments. Then you don't get into all this stuff like "setting geographic radius," etc. Let the privates do what they want, but let them do it in their own tournament. That's far less complicated.

[iupgroundhog]

I think the PIAA should set a geographic radius for privates. Every public has one. You can't play for Southern Columbia if you live in Bloomsburg, but you can play for St. Joes if you live in Delaware? This would also block the international importing that schools like Kennedy Catholic did for years. Clearly Sven the 6'9" 17 year old from Iceland chose Mercer County, PA for the education but Xavier from Hopewell can't move three streets down and go to Aliquippa without the PIAA questioning him.

That's completely impractical. And it doesn't even eliminate the problem of recruiting. They could just recruit more intensely within any geography that would be established. Plus, it defeats the idea of "private." They should be able to recruit who they want. It doesn't eliminate the inherent unfairness.

I agree with Ship69. Give them a separate classification. To Nation's point that many privates don't engage in the extreme recruiting for sports, allow those schools to apply to the PIAA if they want to but make them prove that they don't do the type of recruiting that has been making the problem worse.

[IUPNation]

That's completely impractical. And it doesn't even eliminate the problem of recruiting. They could just recruit more intensely within any geography that would be established. Plus, it defeats the idea of "private." They should be able to recruit who they want. It doesn't eliminate the inherent unfairness.

I agree with Ship69. Give them a separate classification. To Nation's point that many privates don't engage in the extreme recruiting for sports, allow those schools to apply to the PIAA if they want to but make them prove that they don't do the type of recruiting that has been making the problem worse.

I like my way..of course…where a small private recruits and they have to play way up with schools far bigger. The issue is that smaller public schools that refuse to consolidate in the western half of the state can’t compete with small privates. . That is a fact. The big public’s outside Philly can hang with them. Imagine if the really wealthy public’s in the Philly burbs made an effort with sports…Radnor, Conestoga. Lower Merion and Unionville could probably outspend everyone to gain an advantage if they wanted to..but they don’t because the spend their money in the classrooms.

Lower Merion had Kobe annd won a state title and don’t think they couldn’t get every kid of pro athletes going there if they wanted them…they money in that township is a lot. Right now St Joe’s is doing that in foosball.

If you did it my way the recruiting privates would get classified way up and the big hitting eastern public’s could knock half of them out.

The the tiny A schools out west can salvage the town’s pride and roll out pap pap and the (insert year here) WPIAL Champions every year so everyone can feel better.

[iupgroundhog]

I like my way..of course…where a small private recruits and they have to play way up with schools far bigger. The issue is that smaller public schools that refuse to consolidate in the western half of the state can’t compete with small privates. . That is a fact. The big public’s outside Philly can hang with them. Imagine if the really wealthy public’s in the Philly burbs made an effort with sports…Radnor, Conestoga. Lower Merion and Unionville could probably outspend everyone to gain an advantage if they wanted to..but they don’t because the spend their money in the classrooms.

Lower Merion had Kobe annd won a state title and don’t think they couldn’t get every kid of pro athletes going there if they wanted them…they money in that township is a lot. Right now St Joe’s is doing that in foosball.

If you did it my way the recruiting privates would get classified way up and the big hitting eastern public’s could knock half of them out.

The the tiny A schools out west can salvage the town’s pride and roll out pap pap and the (insert year here) WPIAL Champions every year so everyone can feel better.

They didn't recruit Kobe. He just chose to go to LM when the family came back from Italy. It was as much a choice about academics than anything and he had family in Ardmore.

[IUPNation]

They didn't recruit Kobe. He just chose to go to LM when the family came back from Italy. It was as much a choice about academics than anything and he had family in Ardmore.

But imagine all these athletes who stay in Philly and live in Lower Merion and send their kids to Lower Merion who can afford to have the best of everything. They could close Harrison which is the second Township high school and just tee off.

If the PIAA went back to only publics then it would be rich vs poor and there would be unfair advantages.

[Fightingscot82]

Waynesburg University is on accreditation warning for failing to adequately track student success, which is usually student returns and completion. The article I read says they're not in operational or financial trouble, but most in SWPA know that Waynesburg came out of nowhere investing heavily in marketing and grad programs. I'm not sure if they've seen much ROI. Waynesburg is a small ~1,200 student private Christian school in Greene County, the very bottom left corner of the state.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Waynesburg University is on accreditation warning for failing to adequately track student success, which is usually student returns and completion. The article I read says they're not in operational or financial trouble, but most in SWPA know that Waynesburg came out of nowhere investing heavily in marketing and grad programs. I'm not sure if they've seen much ROI. Waynesburg is a small ~1,200 student private Christian school in Greene County, the very bottom left corner of the state.

Same general area Wheeling is basically in the coffin. It's just not nailed shut yet. The MEC will lose them next.