PASSHE Institutions Merging

[complaint_hopeful]

This has a lot of info on roi.

https://www.passhe.edu › docPDF
2020-2021 APPROPRIATIONS REQUEST - Pennsylvania State ...

[iupgroundhog]

I assumed the statistics being pushed by PASSHE this week were newer than 2015. If there is a new report, I'm working on finding it.

Nevertheless, I can't imagine any other line in the state budget with a ROI as high as PASSHE. As they say in the political memes, let that sink in.

[Fightingscot82]

But just yesterday you wrote that the "state released a report..." and now you can't find it?

I assumed the statistics being pushed by PASSHE this week were newer than 2015. If there is a new report, I'm working on finding it.

[Horror Child]

I can't seem to find anything newer than this 2015 report, which mirrors the statistic in PASSHE's tweet. I'll keep looking for something newer.

https://www.passhe.edu/SystemData/Do...pactReport.pdf

But just yesterday you wrote that the "state released a report..." and now you can't find it?

[Fightingscot82]

I saw the tweet. Can you share a link to the report?

I can't seem to find anything newer than this 2015 report, which mirrors the statistic in PASSHE's tweet. I'll keep looking for something newer.

https://www.passhe.edu/SystemData/Do...pactReport.pdf

[Horror Child]

The state released a report that there's a 10-for-1 return on investment for PASSHE. That's pretty significant.

I saw the tweet. Can you share a link to the report?

[Fightingscot82]

Interesting results considering that Greenstein claims the only community against it is in Lock Haven. Of course, that's the community, implying both inside and outside the university.

If faculty is so overwhelmingly against it then why haven't we seen more resistance across the board?

I believe they've been distracted by fighting faculty cuts at places like IUP. I do believe they're bankrolling one of the online accounts fighting integrations. They've also got the Kutztown professor's Raging Chicken site.

[iupgroundhog]

70% of faculty surveyed are against integrations. Only 7% believe the process has been transparent. Not good.

https://www.post-gazette.com/news/ed...s/202104070102

Interesting results considering that Greenstein claims the only community against it is in Lock Haven. Of course, that's the community, implying both inside and outside the university.

If faculty is so overwhelmingly against it then why haven't we seen more resistance across the board?

[Fightingscot82]

70% of faculty surveyed are against integrations. Only 7% believe the process has been transparent. Not good.

https://www.post-gazette.com/news/ed...s/202104070102

[Fightingscot82]

I don't disagree. I'm referring more to the kids in 12th grade right now. Those are the kids deciding not to come to our schools in the volume they used to do so. As we keep saying, as the money gets closer, we'll continue to lose more and more of them to the more 'name' schools.

For $2k more they can attend a school with more cache or a bigger name. Plus little Kaitlyn from Blairsville could never afford to attend private school until college. BFE private liberal arts college is "throwing" money at her and IUP "only" offered $2,500. That perception of scholarship size works for a lot of people. You don't need to be a great student to qualify for automatic discounts marketed as "scholarships" from even the more elite private schools. You can be an average student (3.0, 1000 SAT) and get half off tuition at W&J, which is a top 100 liberal arts college. At IUP you might get $500 off for that application.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

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I agree with that -- to an extent.

I was referring more to the actual recruitment of students -- and the mindset of today's highly sought after kids. In the mind of an 18-year-old, most want the name. If the money is fairly close, often times they can convince Mom and Dad to pay the extra couple bucks. Twenty-some years ago I'd have much rather said I went to Pitt than IUP.

It has been my experience that the university name on the diploma doesn't make a lot of difference in decision-making for work assignments. I have been fortunate to work on programs valued at hundreds of $ millions and one in excess of $ billion. The leadership staff reporting to me had degrees from several Ivy League universities, Notre Dame, several PA universities, and institutions from all over the world. I can honestly say that my IUP and Army experiences presented me with tremendous opportunities to lead and develop others. I always have been pleased to see upcoming employees from PASSHE schools because they usually have an exceptional work ethic.[/QUOTE]

I don't disagree. I'm referring more to the kids in 12th grade right now. Those are the kids deciding not to come to our schools in the volume they used to do so. As we keep saying, as the money gets closer, we'll continue to lose more and more of them to the more 'name' schools.

[BADinPA]

People get in heated debates about the "quality" of the name on a diploma. But the reality is that unless you are talking about a truly name university (Ivy League, Stanford, Duke, and a couple of others) OR it is a "specialty" university (MIT for Engineers, University of Chicago for Law, etc), the name on the diploma really doesn't matter to hiring officials...They don't really care that an applicant got their degree from Indiana University of Pennsylvania or Indiana University Kokomo...they just care that he/she got a degree.

[/I]

I agree with that -- to an extent.

I was referring more to the actual recruitment of students -- and the mindset of today's highly sought after kids. In the mind of an 18-year-old, most want the name. If the money is fairly close, often times they can convince Mom and Dad to pay the extra couple bucks. Twenty-some years ago I'd have much rather said I went to Pitt than IUP.[/QUOTE]

It has been my experience that the university name on the diploma doesn't make a lot of difference in decision-making for work assignments. I have been fortunate to work on programs valued at hundreds of $ millions and one in excess of $ billion. The leadership staff reporting to me had degrees from several Ivy League universities, Notre Dame, several PA universities, and institutions from all over the world. I can honestly say that my IUP and Army experiences presented me with tremendous opportunities to lead and develop others. I always have been pleased to see upcoming employees from PASSHE schools because they usually have an exceptional work ethic.

[Fightingscot82]

West Chester hasn’t really built like IUP has this decade. A few new dorms and a new music building...they needed more space to store the marching band props. You have your new science building and IUP is now building theirs.

The IUP campus transformation has been tremendous. I don’t understand why kids aren’t flocking to Indiana.

Cost. The system markets itself on slogans and cliches. They don't sell themselves as the lowest base tuition in the state. And cost has crept up to the point that a good student can get a private school discount into the close enough range.

[IUPNation]

It's funny, though. At the time, I don't remember many people objecting to the IUP Housing "Revival." Sure, they complained about how the kids today need all these amenities. But I don't remember hearing that the project would price them out of the market or warnings about a dropoff in college-age population. I think a lot of people thought it would lure the kids to IUP.

It was basically dorm replacement. The old dorms were poorly designed and built.

[IUPNation]

NOW I remember who it was!!!!!

West Chester's enrollment increase didn't translate into a lot of new dorm space because the drop in birth rate that started west of the Susquehanna is making its way east. They did not overbuild housing like so many other PASSHE schools did.

Where can one find the academic ranking of the PSAC schools that you reference?

West Chester hasn’t really built like IUP has this decade. A few new dorms and a new music building...they needed more space to store the marching band props. You have your new science building and IUP is now building theirs.

The IUP campus transformation has been tremendous. I don’t understand why kids aren’t flocking to Indiana.