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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
Some of these notices went out before the retirement incentive went into effect so I wonder if these numbers will be reduced. Unfortunately, full-time faculty positions don't have much turnover so its been hard to gradually reduce the faculty count as enrollment dwindled.
Conversely, I guess Edinboro could lay off an entire department creating immediate savings and have those courses taught remotely by the department at Clarion or California. I don't think that's a good way to learn, though.
Like say Edinboro gets rid of an entire English Depth and Cal or Clarion teach those classes. How much revenue would go back to Edinboro to essentially do nothing?
Of course, if these schools all become 1 school I guess that won't matter.Last edited by complaint_hopeful; 10-07-2020, 02:13 PM.
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"If the pattern does not change, PASSHE could see Lock Haven and Shippensburg Universities become insolvent and Bloomsburg, East Stroudsburg and Millersville Universities become financially unstable."
http://www.theonlinerocket.com/news/...-goes-virtual/
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Originally posted by Bart View Post"If the pattern does not change, PASSHE could see Lock Haven and Shippensburg Universities become insolvent and Bloomsburg, East Stroudsburg and Millersville Universities become financially unstable."
http://www.theonlinerocket.com/news/...-goes-virtual/
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
I find that article to be confusing. It's the first I've heard of the schools being referred to as "insolvent." Are they insolvent? That means they can't meet their general financial obligations or debt obligations.
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Originally posted by Bart View Post
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Still not convinced Uncle Sam is going to flush any of these schools down the toilet.
Although it reminds me of owning a pond with way too many Bass in it and not enough food for them. None of them grow big. They all become stagnant and stunted. The only way to fix it is to start eliminating the smaller Bass.
The PASSHE is a pond with way too many GD fish in it.
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View PostStill not convinced Uncle Sam is going to flush any of these schools down the toilet.
Although it reminds me of owning a pond with way too many Bass in it and not enough food for them. None of them grow big. They all become stagnant and stunted. The only way to fix it is to start eliminating the smaller Bass.
The PASSHE is a pond with way too many GD fish in it.
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Originally posted by Bart View Post
The system is on the verge of collapse, so the answer is to bailout the schools that are failing. It seems they should be investing in the winning schools, and not propping up those that are failing. Why would it cost $200 million to close or mothball a school?
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Originally posted by Bart View Post
The system is on the verge of collapse, so the answer is to bailout the schools that are failing. It seems they should be investing in the winning schools, and not propping up those that are failing. Why would it cost $200 million to close or mothball a school?
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
I find that article to be confusing. It's the first I've heard of the schools being referred to as "insolvent." Are they insolvent? That means they can't meet their general financial obligations or debt obligations.
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
I don't think Greenstein is winning any PR battles right now.
To a large extent, the major news stations don't seem to be picking this up. It seems mainly the small local papers and Universities run the stories on this stuff. The Faculty Union is launching a whole campaign about how retrenchment will mean lower quality for students. And they may be right. But, is all this bad press going to just mean less students?
APSCUF discusses retrenchment at town hall -
APSCUF President explains faculty layoffs happening at PASSHE universities
http://www.theonlinerocket.com/news/...-at-town-hall/
And of course students and faculty will not want to see faculty lose their jobs. But, the finances are so bad that schools may go out of business. This isn't a situation where doing nothing makes it better. Heck, even making these changes might not fix it. It might be too late. We may just need less schools.
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View PostStill not convinced Uncle Sam is going to flush any of these schools down the toilet.
Although it reminds me of owning a pond with way too many Bass in it and not enough food for them. None of them grow big. They all become stagnant and stunted. The only way to fix it is to start eliminating the smaller Bass.
The PASSHE is a pond with way too many GD fish in it.
But, if you look at these schools...I think you'll see a lot of inefficiency. They can cut costs all they want, but many of the schools lack even fundamental documented business processes. If you evaluated them on a business process maturity model, they'd be very low. This translates to a lesser product. ie Is it easy for a potential student to become a student? I'm fairly sure if you look at some that their processes hold them back.
And that same lack of process needs addressed in this shared services model that they're going to. To become a service provider, that stuff needs defined all the more.
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Originally posted by ironmaniup View Post
I suppose there would be significant legal and legislative challenges to closing a school like Mansfield. I'm not sure you could do it without the legislator's approval. Then there is the costs of maintaining the grounds, with 0 income - it wouldn't be like an old shuttered factory. Its a good question, and the real answer is probably that no one has ever really thought about what closing a university would look like. No one wants the image of old boarded up university buildings - there has to be something to replace it,
Instead you're merging schools like Cal U (unstable) with Clarion (Insolvent) and Edinboro (Insolvent). So the best school in that partnership is unstable. I doubt that some great innovation comes out of that. You may be able to reduce Staff/Faculty and have maybe 1 English program for 3 schools, etc to save that way. But, you'll almost certainly lose students.
Why not sale say a Cal U who has a nice campus to an SNHU (assuming they want a physical campus.) Continue to reduce buildings on campus Demo'ing the old buildings. Reduce business functions that SNHU provides. Keep the ones that need an online presence. You would use SNHU's processes.
Just an example, but I think this seems to make more sense.
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Originally posted by complaint_hopeful View Post
I think if you add to that Can't meet their financial obligations without dipping into reserves. I think that's their definition of insolvent. ie Can't atleast break even. Schools are depleting reserves which will eventually run out. Then, they will be unable to meet their financial obligations.
My assumption for Edinboro is between the spring refund and online fall semester, the housing debt is killing their reserves.
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