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Originally posted by Bart View PostIt is my impression, the people who live in PASSHE school counties would be happy to see them close. They detest the liberal egg heads who teach 12 hours a week and make much more than they do working 40 hours. They detest the snot nosed spoiled brat students who bring problems to their neighborhoods. I am not a Republican, but they would agree with the following quote:
"One of the causes of the downfall of Rome was that people, being fed by the State....ceased to have any responsibility for themselves or their children, and consequently became a nation of wasters." R. Baden-Powell 1908
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View PostAnd, furthermore, in these areas where the PASSHE schools are located and which are so heavily dependent on public education (the PASSHE schools are often the biggest employer in the county) they keep voting for Republicans who keep cutting it. It's counterintuitive.
"One of the causes of the downfall of Rome was that people, being fed by the State....ceased to have any responsibility for themselves or their children, and consequently became a nation of wasters." R. Baden-Powell 1908
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View PostThat's an interesting observation. When I was in school all I needed was that cinderblock-walled dorm room. Amenities didn't mean anything to me. The storyline was that they built these facilities to keep up with the rest of the world and remain competitive on that front. Nevertheless, the decline in the state appropriation is the killer and I don't really think the legislature solicits feedback from the their constituents when doling it out. They just haven't supported it. And if you follow the changes during Democratic and Republican administrations in PA it's like a see-saw. It has come up during Dem administrations but overall it's dropped precipitously. I blame Republicans. It's black and white.
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Originally posted by Bart View PostYes, but the perception by state residents is that tax dollars are going to items the aren't related to education. Besides, many of these extras are paid for by additional student fees for things they may never use, like recreational facilities for non-athletic types. Also, if students can pay for luxury style apartment living, they aren't too concerned about the cost of an education. Tuition was much higher than the cost of room and board when I was a student. Now room, board, and fees have out distanced the cost of tuition.
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View PostThe things you mention come out of a capital budget, separate from the state appropriation which is essentially the operating budget. The state appropriation is what determines the financial health of the schools and determines what has to be made up by tuition.
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Originally posted by Bart View PostIt is difficult to argue state appropriations are the issue, when campuses are building larger athletic facilities, food courts, apartment style living, coffee houses, etc. If the cost of an education was important, the schools should go back to the bare bones system of the sixties and seventies. It seems they are on the right track to compete for students with the privates.
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View PostOur towns are typically remote, boring dives in the middle of nowhere -- with very little to offer. The best restaurant in some of our towns is Dairy Queen. Spend a weekend at California and try not to find a bridge to jump from.
As FS82 eluded, it's a matter of time until schools start merging. It's just not feasible to have so many.
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Originally posted by Bloom Burger View PostWell said. West Chester is arguable the most urban PASSHE campus. There are a myriad of reasons why they are doing well, but location again may be the primary factor.
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Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View PostYep. You have a generation of kids now who need to be entertained 24 hours a day. The city brings that element. Cities provide so much in regard to entertainment -- and for all types of people. Arts, sports, nightlife, music scene, etc.
Our towns are typically remote, boring dives in the middle of nowhere -- with very little to offer. The best restaurant in some of our towns is Dairy Queen. Spend a weekend at California and try not to find a bridge to jump from.
The biggest advantage the 'state schools' had for a long time was price. But, that is slowly vanishing as we keep creeping up the scale.
As FS82 eluded, it's a matter of time until schools start merging. It's just not feasible to have so many.
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Originally posted by Bloom Burger View PostTemple has done a very good job improving their campus and reputation over the last 20 years or so. However, I think their success has as much to do with the revival of urban Philly and the young generations increased desire to live in and work in the core of urban areas.
Our towns are typically remote, boring dives in the middle of nowhere -- with very little to offer. The best restaurant in some of our towns is Dairy Queen. Spend a weekend at California and try not to find a bridge to jump from.
The biggest advantage the 'state schools' had for a long time was price. But, that is slowly vanishing as we keep creeping up the scale.
As FS82 eluded, it's a matter of time until schools start merging. It's just not feasible to have so many.
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Originally posted by IUPNation View Post
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There's a significant decline in the population of high school students everywhere but the southern states. Those states are growing due to migration and immigration. The worst declines are in the rust belt and northeast. Western half of PA has 12% fewer high school students than a decade ago. Some areas are down over 20%. Truly national schools are alright but regional schools like PASSHE are suffering. The scary part is that the birth rate is dropping and the demographic shift looks to continue... then a steep drop around 2025. I think that's when we'll see mergers.
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It is difficult to argue state appropriations are the issue, when campuses are building larger athletic facilities, food courts, apartment style living, coffee houses, etc. If the cost of an education was important, the schools should go back to the bare bones system of the sixties and seventies. It seems they are on the right track to compete for students with the privates.
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