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  • Fightingscot82
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    Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post

    Yes. My mistake. Search firms seem to be the ultimate CYA activity.
    I've been both a candidate through a search firm and on the hiring side. One upside is that they do a lot of the front end work for you: advertising, generating leads, impromptu background checks, answering questions, etc. If you're in the middle of the school year or you want to do a truly national search beyond just advertising, sometimes its worth paying for that. Especially in marquis programs.

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  • IUPbigINDIANS
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    Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post

    For PASSHE schools, search committees are actually required by the coaches union contract. The ONLY time a full search can be avoided is with presidential approval - usually because there's a clear hire to be made such as an internal. Are you thinking of search firms? Those are usually the maligned variables in a failed hire at FBS.
    Yes. My mistake. Search firms seem to be the ultimate CYA activity.

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  • Fightingscot82
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    First, its insane that Gene Carpenter had just 3 losing seasons in 31 at Millersville.

    I'll admit that I've been fooled by a few Millersville hires. I think the fatal error is that most were good coordinators who weren't good head coaches. The only exception, Kevin Kiesel, was a successful head coach at FCS Fairfield, but they're private so little fundraising and using coupon codes instead of scholarship dollars. Joe Trainer was DC at New Haven and Villanova. Greg Colby was DC at Northwestern. Greg Breitbach was OC at North Dakota, who were a top D2 program in his time there. With JC Morgan, they are again getting a first time head coach but at least hired from not just D2 but within the conference with a coach who knows how things work for PASSHE & PSAC.

    The variable as IUPbigINDIANS said is about resources. You can only go so far in annual donations and a golf outing. Where do ticket sales go? Do they hold any other big fundraisers? Are there really any major gift prospects?

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  • Fightingscot82
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    Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post


    The problem is ADs are terrified to do it alone. If the coach flops (many do) it falls solely back on the AD. He could then be looking for a new job. Hence the popularity of the infamous search committees. They are a fancy term for CYA insurance. You always want somebody else to blame for mistakes. At our level here in the bus leagues there isn't the gigantic pressure that hiring a new coach involves in the P5 level. Up there they have committees, mega boosters, etc. All want their say.
    For PASSHE schools, search committees are actually required by the coaches union contract. The ONLY time a full search can be avoided is with presidential approval - usually because there's a clear hire to be made such as an internal. Are you thinking of search firms? Those are usually the maligned variables in a failed hire at FBS.

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  • IUPbigINDIANS
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    Originally posted by shipfbfan1 View Post
    I will say Coach Morgan has built moral within the program, the players actually believe they can compete within the conference and can win. He's also upped the recruiting where they are now getting players who would have previously chosen Shippensburg and the Lancaster area has some good talent in the region that are staying home. He's also lucking up with the transfer portal including what will probably be their starting QB Anthony Butler a transfer from FCS Morgan State. Kid has a huge arm and has a solid frame with a few years of eligibility left. If the OL can sustain blocks and defense can get a few stops they could upset a team or two in the East.
    It's surely not like basketball. It takes years to build up a football program. A new coach (with money to spend) can turn around a basketball program overnight -- especially now in the portal era. Football just takes so many guys. The hardest and longest phase of a total rebuild (like he's doing at Millersville) is building up the depth. It's a fact all day long the team you dress on opening day won't be the team you dress on October 1. Injuries are unavoidable in football. So, that stockpiling of players takes 2-4 years. It's even harder to do now because kids want to transfer at insane rates.

    How is he doing on fundraising? If you want to run with the big boys in D2 football you best be able to spend like them. We always hear about the same schools saying they can't compete because they don't have the money of an IUP, SRU, etc. Well, how hard are they actually trying to raise the money?

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  • IUPbigINDIANS
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    Originally posted by Cavalier 1 View Post

    I don't think the AD is the problem. But, their might be a problem with their selection process and the people on the selection committee for football. Not sure. But, whoever the AD has been, they have not gotten the right guy. And those people have been there for some time now. The AD may have to go it alone, in a sense. And, not worry about pleasing constituents or winning the press conference. Glad they are improving things.

    The problem is ADs are terrified to do it alone. If the coach flops (many do) it falls solely back on the AD. He could then be looking for a new job. Hence the popularity of the infamous search committees. They are a fancy term for CYA insurance. You always want somebody else to blame for mistakes. At our level here in the bus leagues there isn't the gigantic pressure that hiring a new coach involves in the P5 level. Up there they have committees, mega boosters, etc. All want their say.

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  • shipfbfan1
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    I will say Coach Morgan has built moral within the program, the players actually believe they can compete within the conference and can win. He's also upped the recruiting where they are now getting players who would have previously chosen Shippensburg and the Lancaster area has some good talent in the region that are staying home. He's also lucking up with the transfer portal including what will probably be their starting QB Anthony Butler a transfer from FCS Morgan State. Kid has a huge arm and has a solid frame with a few years of eligibility left. If the OL can sustain blocks and defense can get a few stops they could upset a team or two in the East.

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  • Cavalier 1
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    Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
    Millersville just received a $1.5 million gift to renovate the locker rooms and trainers spaces. Future plans include a video board, an additional new scoreboard, and a new pressbox. I guess that young AD does suck after all.

    https://millersvilleathletics.com/ne...-campaign.aspx
    I don't think the AD is the problem. But, their might be a problem with their selection process and the people on the selection committee for football. Not sure. But, whoever the AD has been, they have not gotten the right guy. And those people have been there for some time now. The AD may have to go it alone, in a sense. And, not worry about pleasing constituents or winning the press conference. Glad they are improving things.

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  • Marauder79
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    While my opinion is certainly biased, I would tell you that Coach Carpenter was indeed an incredible coach. If you loved to play football and you talked to him, you knew you wanted to play football for that man. And you guys know how it goes, once a program starts winning it attracts better and better talent. He had a long, successful run at the 'Ville. It would be great to see them turn things around and become competitive again, here's hoping it starts this year!

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  • Fightingscot82
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    Millersville just received a $1.5 million gift to renovate the locker rooms and trainers spaces. Future plans include a video board, an additional new scoreboard, and a new pressbox. I guess that young AD does suck after all.

    https://millersvilleathletics.com/ne...-campaign.aspx

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  • Fightingscot82
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    Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post


    The old question ... is there really THAT big a difference between coaches? I know some are better than others. But, we have a very uneven playing field. Put Dunn, Tort or Lutz at Clarion and see if they do any better. Give Chris Weibel the IUP job and his W/L record is probably reversed.

    Coaching is part of it. No doubt. But, having 3 to 4 times more scholarship money is a MAJOR part of it.
    Exactly. I don't know what scholarship totals were like in the NAIA days. Was Dr. Carpenter an incredible coach or did he have better resources than others? Unfortunately at Millersville that's the bar. Similar to comparing the Pirates teams of today to the 79 team.

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  • IUPbigINDIANS
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    Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
    I don't recall seeing who Millersville has scheduled for their OOC game. Their crossover games are at Clarion, at Cal, and hosting Edinboro. I think its possible for Millersville to go 2-1 in those crossovers, but both Clarion and Edinboro are in the same situation as Millersville: trying to improve on disappointing seasons. Bloomsburg, Shippensburg, and East Stroudsburg are all fighting for the top of the middle of the pack.

    The PSAC is a meat grinder similar to the MAC or Big10. You have perennial bottom feeders and perennial top teams and a dog fight for #2 on down. Unless a coach is clearly failing in his ability to lead the program, schools might as well just stick with them.

    The old question ... is there really THAT big a difference between coaches? I know some are better than others. But, we have a very uneven playing field. Put Dunn, Tort or Lutz at Clarion and see if they do any better. Give Chris Weibel the IUP job and his W/L record is probably reversed.

    Coaching is part of it. No doubt. But, having 3 to 4 times more scholarship money is a MAJOR part of it.

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  • Fightingscot82
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    I don't recall seeing who Millersville has scheduled for their OOC game. Their crossover games are at Clarion, at Cal, and hosting Edinboro. I think its possible for Millersville to go 2-1 in those crossovers, but both Clarion and Edinboro are in the same situation as Millersville: trying to improve on disappointing seasons. Bloomsburg, Shippensburg, and East Stroudsburg are all fighting for the top of the middle of the pack.

    The PSAC is a meat grinder similar to the MAC or Big10. You have perennial bottom feeders and perennial top teams and a dog fight for #2 on down. Unless a coach is clearly failing in his ability to lead the program, schools might as well just stick with them.

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  • shipfbfan1
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    4 wins in the challenging east would be amazing for Ville. That would mean of course knocking off Lock Haven an non conference opponent, stealing a crossover win and upsetting either Shippensburg, Bloomsburg, Kutztown, WCU or Shepherd.

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  • Cavalier 1
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    Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
    I think Ville's biggest challenge is that they could turn the corner and it doesn't look like much playing in a tough division. Plus 2019 wasn't a great year for them. There's lots of room for improvement. Held to 10 points or less 4 times. Allowed 40+ points 4 times, too. So going 4-8 still looks bad but is a 2-win improvement in a division where you're playing Kutztown, Shepherd, and West Chester every year.
    Great stats. Very telling. A third 2-win season would not be good. You're right, 4 would be progress.

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