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  • Originally posted by EyeoftheHawk View Post

    The Steelers could be irrelevant for a long time. They have no QB or reliable receivers, and they have a couple big holes on their offensive line. They’ll also likely lose Harris to free agency. Their defense lacks talent among their younger guys and their best players are aging fast. They haven’t drafted well in recent years and the huge mistake of drafting Kenny Pickett in the first round is going to haunt them for a long time. Where in the heck do you start in the draft? Ideally they could draft a receiver but I don’t know how they can without a decent QB.

    Aside from personnel, for the first time I’m getting off the Mike Tomlin bus. At the end of the day, all those winning regular seasons are meaningless. He is who he is and I think he has his fingers into too much of the operation. On top of that, he has weak coordinators. Some of the offensive and defensive play calls last night were head scratchers. I’m not at all convinced Arthur Smith is the answer at OC.
    The Steelers biggest mistake was not taking a clear opportunity to have a four-win season in 2019 when Ben Roethlisberger went down in Week 1 or 2. Instead, they traded a 1st round pick for Minkah Fitzpatrick, doubled down on defense in an offensive league, and went 8-8 trying to win games 13-10 with Mason Rudolph and Duck Hodges. If they observed the forest through the trees, they would have realized that they could have easily had an excuse to finish bottom five in the league and draft somebody like Joe Burrow or Justin Herbert. But the Rooney's refuse to accept a year or two where they are not "in the hunt" for the playoffs.

    Kenny Pickett is a huge scapegoat for the Steelers, their fans, and much of the media that has very evident disdain towards Pitt and Pat Narduzzi (it is well known I am a Pitt fan, but this has ZERO to do with that). They blame him because he's the easiest thing to blame. But he was the furthest thing from the actual problem with the Steelers. Teams miss on quarterbacks every single year. And that isn't stopping anytime soon. If you actually look around the league, there are so few "franchise" level guys. It's hard to find one. A lot of 1st round picks end up as backups or are out of football in under 5 years. A third of the starters are just recycled guys that keep bouncing around the league.

    The Steelers reshuffled their entire QB room, which was supposed to fix their problem. But at the end of the day, they are still 10-7 when it's all said and done. They are spending less money on the QB room today than they did last year, and used a chunk of that saved money to lock up a tight end who has achieved league average offensive production and cannot block. They have no idea what they are doing. People screamed about Pickett, but Wilson's production the last month of the season is the same or worse in some games than Pickett's was.

    Arthur Smith is mostly a front man. This is Tomlin's approach. It's his philosophy. It's his offense. Paraphrasing this some, but Tomlin said in his press conference that he wanted to change their offensive approach this game against Cincy to "keep the ball away from Burrow," by utilizing conservative, high-percentage play calls in the passing game, and leaning on their run game. I nearly spit out my beverage when I heard that. The Steelers scored 44 points against the Bengals on the road and he wanted to play a conservative football game when his team is reeling and needs to find offensive footing. At the same time, despite wanting to "keep the ball away from Burrow," he gave Burrow the football on the opening drive, and his defense looked lost as Cincy marched down the field without the ball touching the ground.

    Bottom line is it is Tomlin's team. Everything about it is. He believes the rest of the league will bend to how his vision of football. He refuses to adapt to how the sport is played or by doing what is actually necessary to win.
    Last edited by IUP24; 01-06-2025, 09:41 AM.

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    • Originally posted by IUPNation View Post

      He was already playing with broken ribs too…
      It will be interesting to see who exactly will start at quarterback for the Eagles in their first round playoff game against Green Bay, or even who the official backup will be in that game. There are scenarios where it could be Jalen Hurts, Kenny Pickett, OR Tanner McKee. Hurts will start if he's cleared out of concussion protocol, but he's now not been cleared for 2 1/2+ games since getting injured in Washington. Pickett could start despite the cracked ribs (as he did against Dallas), but starting a backup quarterback with cracked ribs in a playoff game is always a dicey proposition. And McKee had never taken a NFL snap in a regular season game prior to the last two weeks, though he has generally looked solid in his abbreviated action against the Cowboys and full game against the Giants.

      Hopefully Hurts is cleared to play and also Pickett is in good enough health to play if necessary against the Packers.

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      • Originally posted by IUP24 View Post

        The Steelers biggest mistake was not taking a clear opportunity to have a four-win season in 2019 when Ben Roethlisberger went down in Week 1 or 2. Instead, they traded a 1st round pick for Minkah Fitzpatrick, doubled down on defense in an offensive league, and went 8-8 trying to win games 13-10 with Mason Rudolph and Duck Hodges. If they observed the forest through the trees, they would have realized that they could have easily had an excuse to finish bottom five in the league and draft somebody like Joe Burrow or Justin Herbert. But the Rooney's refuse to accept a year or two where they are not "in the hunt" for the playoffs.

        Kenny Pickett is a huge scapegoat for the Steelers, their fans, and much of the media that has very evident disdain towards Pitt and Pat Narduzzi (it is well known I am a Pitt fan, but this has ZERO to do with that). They blame him because he's the easiest thing to blame. But he was the furthest thing from the actual problem with the Steelers. Teams miss on quarterbacks every single year. And that isn't stopping anytime soon. If you actually look around the league, there are so few "franchise" level guys. It's hard to find one. A lot of 1st round picks end up as backups or are out of football in under 5 years. A third of the starters are just recycled guys that keep bouncing around the league.

        The Steelers reshuffled their entire QB room, which was supposed to fix their problem. But at the end of the day, they are still 10-7 when it's all said and done. They are spending less money on the QB room today than they did last year, and used a chunk of that saved money to lock up a tight end who has achieved league average offensive production and cannot block. They have no idea what they are doing. People screamed about Pickett, but Wilson's production the last month of the season is the same or worse in some games than Pickett's was.

        Arthur Smith is mostly a front man. This is Tomlin's approach. It's his philosophy. It's his offense. Paraphrasing this some, but Tomlin said in his press conference that he wanted to change their offensive approach this game against Cincy to "keep the ball away from Burrow," by utilizing conservative, high-percentage play calls in the passing game, and leaning on their run game. I nearly spit out my beverage when I heard that. The Steelers scored 44 points against the Bengals on the road and he wanted to play a conservative football game when his team is reeling and needs to find offensive footing. At the same time, despite wanting to "keep the ball away from Burrow," he gave Burrow the football on the opening drive, and his defense looked lost as Cincy marched down the field without the ball touching the ground.

        Bottom line is it is Tomlin's team. Everything about it is. He believes the rest of the league will bend to how his vision of football. He refuses to adapt to how the sport is played or by doing what is actually necessary to win.
        I don’t blame Kenny Pickett at all. He is who he is and arguably didn’t get a fair opportunity to see if he could be the man in Pittsburgh. I blame everything else you laid out that put them in a position where they thought they had to draft Pickett in the first round. The Ben era lasted way too long and because they let it happen they’ll be in QB purgatory for years. It reminds me of the transition from Bradshaw. The list of QB’s between him and eventually Roethlisberger is actually quite amusing. It’s worth a Google for entertainment purposes. This period of Steelers football feels eerily similar.

        I fully expect the Steelers to lose this weekend. In the long run it might be the best thing for the franchise because although the odds are slim, it might be enough for them to recognize they need to blow the whole thing up starting with hiring a new head coach. If they win, they’ll mistakenly think they’re close and we’ll be right back in this spot next year.

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        • I saw that Steelers OC Arthur Smith is showing up on lists of candidates to fill the latest NFL head coaching vacancies. Based on what!? All he’s done is be around a while. He had a 21-30 record as a head coach in Atlanta. Three consecutive 7-10 seasons. It amazes me how a league as mighty and powerful as the NFL regurgitates coaches that had their shot but with little to show for it. As OC at Tennessee and Pittsburgh, his offenses have ranked near the bottom of the league. This year the Steelers offense was 23rd.

          What am I missing?

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          • Originally posted by EyeoftheHawk View Post
            I saw that Steelers OC Arthur Smith is showing up on lists of candidates to fill the latest NFL head coaching vacancies. Based on what!? All he’s done is be around a while. He had a 21-30 record as a head coach in Atlanta. Three consecutive 7-10 seasons. It amazes me how a league as mighty and powerful as the NFL regurgitates coaches that had their shot but with little to show for it. As OC at Tennessee and Pittsburgh, his offenses have ranked near the bottom of the league. This year the Steelers offense was 23rd.

            What am I missing?
            I think it’s pretty common for guys with any HC experience, unless they were a complete disaster, to get interviews. I’d be shocked if he actually got a job this year, but sometimes it does click for a guy the 2nd time, most famously for guys like Pete Carroll and Bill Belichick. Arthur Smith certainly isn’t those guys and I imagine he’d have to have a much more productive season than this one to actually get another HC job.

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            • Originally posted by EyeoftheHawk View Post

              I don’t blame Kenny Pickett at all. He is who he is and arguably didn’t get a fair opportunity to see if he could be the man in Pittsburgh. I blame everything else you laid out that put them in a position where they thought they had to draft Pickett in the first round. The Ben era lasted way too long and because they let it happen they’ll be in QB purgatory for years. It reminds me of the transition from Bradshaw. The list of QB’s between him and eventually Roethlisberger is actually quite amusing. It’s worth a Google for entertainment purposes. This period of Steelers football feels eerily similar.

              I fully expect the Steelers to lose this weekend. In the long run it might be the best thing for the franchise because although the odds are slim, it might be enough for them to recognize they need to blow the whole thing up starting with hiring a new head coach. If they win, they’ll mistakenly think they’re close and we’ll be right back in this spot next year.
              Agreed. Wasn't suggesting you were blaming Pickett. The casual fan and person who just turns on the radio or opens social media are still just pounding that drum because they like to pick the low hanging fruit.

              I don't think the general fan understands how bad Tomlin is as a head coach. That sideline is so unorganized. And that all starts with him. For comparison... Marcus Freeman at Notre Dame turned around on the sideline in the biggest moment of the football game and asked an analytics guy who always stands about 5 feet behind him if he should go for it on a 4th down late. The guy shook his head and Freeman went for it - no hesitation. He converted and it was the critical play that won ND the football game in the final quarter. Mike Tomlin challenges when he feels like it, and "goes with his gut," (his words not mine) when an opportunity to throw the red flag presents itself.

              Their operation is the greatest combination of chaotic, unprepared, and stone-age in the NFL.

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              • Originally posted by IUP24 View Post

                Agreed. Wasn't suggesting you were blaming Pickett. The casual fan and person who just turns on the radio or opens social media are still just pounding that drum because they like to pick the low hanging fruit.

                I don't think the general fan understands how bad Tomlin is as a head coach. That sideline is so unorganized. And that all starts with him. For comparison... Marcus Freeman at Notre Dame turned around on the sideline in the biggest moment of the football game and asked an analytics guy who always stands about 5 feet behind him if he should go for it on a 4th down late. The guy shook his head and Freeman went for it - no hesitation. He converted and it was the critical play that won ND the football game in the final quarter. Mike Tomlin challenges when he feels like it, and "goes with his gut," (his words not mine) when an opportunity to throw the red flag presents itself.

                Their operation is the greatest combination of chaotic, unprepared, and stone-age in the NFL.

                Yinzers all think Pickett was some star, too, because he was the first QB drafted.

                He was still there at Pick 21 in one of the worst NFL QB classes (prospect-wise) of all time.

                Elite QB prospects don't make it out of the Top 5.

                I think KP will be a serviceable backup in the NFL and make a nice living.

                I'd have preferred they didn't waste a Rd 1 on him but regardless. A year before or a year after and he'd have been like the 7th or 8th QB drafted -- and likely in RD 3 or 4. The timing was terrible for the Yinzers.


                I'm no Tomlin fan but I don't hate him. He's entertaining. His coach speak is world class. He's never getting fired. He's in a league dying for successful minority head coaches. He's won a title and (if you haven't heard) he's never had a losing season. Not a chance in hell they ever can him. His coaching is old and stale. They are boring to watch. He's stuck in 2010.

                The funny thing is it would be so Tomlin to win at Baltimore this Saturday. The haters become lovers again (for a few days).

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                • Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post


                  Yinzers all think Pickett was some star, too, because he was the first QB drafted.

                  He was still there at Pick 21 in one of the worst NFL QB classes (prospect-wise) of all time.

                  Elite QB prospects don't make it out of the Top 5.

                  I think KP will be a serviceable backup in the NFL and make a nice living.

                  I'd have preferred they didn't waste a Rd 1 on him but regardless. A year before or a year after and he'd have been like the 7th or 8th QB drafted -- and likely in RD 3 or 4. The timing was terrible for the Yinzers.


                  I'm no Tomlin fan but I don't hate him. He's entertaining. His coach speak is world class. He's never getting fired. He's in a league dying for successful minority head coaches. He's won a title and (if you haven't heard) he's never had a losing season. Not a chance in hell they ever can him. His coaching is old and stale. They are boring to watch. He's stuck in 2010.

                  The funny thing is it would be so Tomlin to win at Baltimore this Saturday. The haters become lovers again (for a few days).
                  People talk about that all the time. And I have not once ever understood what it mattered at all. It doesn't have any relevance. Nearly all of the draft gurus and prognosticator had him slotted to be picked between 18-24. And that's where he was taken. The Steelers were taking a QB there. Whether they took any of the available guys, the result would have been the same due to their approach offensively and how they chose to handle a young QB.

                  Regarding the second point, again, irrelevant in terms of the guy himself. Carson Beck came back this year and would've been a first round pick last year. He looks God awful now and has plummeted on draft boards. That stuff moves and changes like the wind. Had Pickett not gotten hurt in 2020, and he and Pitt both had the year they had in 2021, he probably is a 2nd round guy based on the others who were taken that year (Burrow, Herbert, etc.)

                  I am not arguing with you. I just don't understand why the media can't move on. Every day I'm seeing tweets and articles from individuals that suggest the Steelers are who they are because of Kenny Pickett. That could not be the furthest thing from the truth. Like EyeOfTheHawk said... They mismanaged the entire end of the Roethlisberger era and that resulted in them being in the position they are in now.

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                  • Reports surfacing Coach Prime after the Raiders' job

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                    • Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post
                      Reports surfacing Coach Prime after the Raiders' job
                      The Raiders are a dumpster fire of a franchise. In the last 20 years they have the most losses. Al is spinning in his grave. The Haircut has no clue how to own the team.

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                      • The Nevermores would have to choke badly in the second half..but it looks like this will conclude the 2024 Yinzer Season.

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                        • Originally posted by IUPNation View Post
                          The Nevermores would have to choke badly in the second half..but it looks like this will conclude the 2024 Yinzer Season.
                          If you're a Steelers/Pitt fan, you've watched 12 straight losses.

                          Ugly

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                          • The first half looked like a season opener between a good power 5 team and a weak FCS team. I’ve seen blowouts in the NFL but I’m not sure I’ve ever seen utter domination like that.

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                            • Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post

                              If you're a Steelers/Pitt fan, you've watched 12 straight losses.

                              Ugly
                              Both residents of Areyousure Stadium had parallel seasons.

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                              • Originally posted by Chuck Norris View Post
                                The first half looked like a season opener between a good power 5 team and a weak FCS team. I’ve seen blowouts in the NFL but I’m not sure I’ve ever seen utter domination like that.
                                It was bad. At no point did it look like the Stillers had any chance. I see they did score in the 3rd but the game was never in doubt for the Nevermores.

                                The Stillers needs an organizational enema from top to bottom. Everything is stale..flush it all out..let the team tank a season or two and get better draft picks.
                                Last edited by IUPNation; 01-12-2025, 03:37 AM.

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