THE IUP Football Thread

[Iupgh]

The classic blame the officials excuse lol, Tort your daddy?

Ernie your Mother..Grow up…Just stating facts something u cats never do in your fantasy land of takes…just sayin

[Fightingscot82]

I've watched football long enough to realize you can talk about officials until you're blue in the face and nothing is going to change.

Three schools in the PSAC have review (IUP, Edinboro and ESU). The others do not. I can't comment on ESU's replay ability, but it's close to worthless at IUP and Edinboro. There is one view. It's from the pressbox. That's it. About 95% of things they'd love to replay they cannot because the angle is terrible. There's really nothing to review. The officials will tell the coaches they can challenge but with just one camera angle (from way up in the box) the odds are there won't be enough visible evidence to overturn any calls -- in particular regarding out-of-bounds, spots, etc. Alleged targeting can be seen a little better.

That said:


Was IUP hit with some bad calls and/or controversial rulings? It probably depends who you ask. One side would say yes. One side would say no.

The three biggies:

* The SRU 'targeting' call was the worst (in my opinion). Not only was this not 'targeting' as it was waived off, but it wasn't even a personal foul. It was a hard hit. To blow that call - in that moment - was a tough one to swallow.

* The 'spot' at Edinboro. Huge call. Tort is still saying the guy was 4' short. Edinboro (and the official) say the WR extended the ball with his arm as he went down. This isn't the NFL. There aren't 18 angles in HD and super slow motion to pinpoint where the ball was when the knee hit. It was a big WR. Could he have stretched it? Sure. But, without seeing it as described above, nobody can say for sure. We certainly cannot say from the video broadcast.

* The blocked FG at Cal was about as fluke circumstance as you'll run across. There is no review at Adamson Stadium. They called it in real-time. The ball was blocked and amazingly bounced right in to a Cal OL's stomach. Did he advance it far enough? Did it clear the neutral zone? Who knows.


Three tough spots to be in for sure. But, those losses weren't defined by those individual plays.

* SRU - Starting the game - at home - in a 21-0 hole sure didn't help matters. SRU's game-winning drive also spanned nearly 80 yards in under two minutes (with just one timeout). They still somehow got behind the IUP defense on the winning play.

* Edinboro - Many things went wrong up there, not to mention Edinboro drove nearly 75 yards with no timeouts in under 2 minutes to win the game. The Scots were idle the week prior and clearly had IUP scouted out very well. They attacked with the same short passing game SRU had used very effectively the week prior.

* Cal - IUP's offense struggled much of the first three quarters of the game, scoring just (3) points. IUP elected to throw three straight downs on its lone red zone trip before settling for the FG. IUP also missed a FG as the half ended. On the final series after finally getting the lead (2:36 left), IUP kicked off out of bounds, giving the Vulcans a shorter field.


As a fan and financial supporter, this was a brutal season. I felt terrible for the players. I've said all along this is a good team. Three losses by 7 points (combined). Last year was a wreck and it wasn't a good team. This is. Even before the controversial plays, SRU and Edinboro (twice) hit 4th-and-7's to keep the game alive. Cal got the most fortunate bounce of a game-ending blocked FG I'll ever see in my life. Three plays away from 8-0 instead of 5-3 is a bitter pill to swallow. I'd have been terrified to play this team in a playoff game.

Hopefully the players hold it together and go out with two wins. I think IUP's offense could have been way more explosive and consistent. I don't think, offensively, they played to their strengths. The slow starts continued on the offensive end -- the last three games in particular have been anemic starts. One could nitpick some lapses here and there but overall, defensively, this is a very good team.

For the Edinboro spot, the spot location call came from the official RIGHT THERE. Not some guy downfield, adjacent, or on the far sideline. I know that's not what you all want to hear, but if any of the zebras on the field, his judgment is the most trustworthy.

[IUPalum]

No D2 officials are getting suspended. Dream on buddy. Nobody cares enough to suspend officials at the D2 level. Ref shortage and you're BSing about fake ass suspensions. Quit trying to defend your boy Tort.

[Ram040506]

Ernie your Mother..Grow up…Just stating facts something u cats never do in your fantasy land of takes…just sayin

Telling people to grow up while you cry that the officials are to blame for any loss IUP takes... rich. Only facts you are stating are the record of the head coaches, the rest is just opinion (whiny opinion at that).

[IUPbigINDIANS]

For the Edinboro spot, the spot location call came from the official RIGHT THERE. Not some guy downfield, adjacent, or on the far sideline. I know that's not what you all want to hear, but if any of the zebras on the field, his judgment is the most trustworthy.

That was my first comment (ever) on that spot. I didn't complain once. Tort is still talking about it weeks later.

If IUP puts itself in that position against Edinboro ... it is what it is.

What I'm sick and tired of is hearing sentences that start with "if" or "should".

Message boards can yap about officials. I'm personally tired of hearing the HC do it.

I want to know why his offense stinks the first 30 minutes of every game. I want to know how in the world that roster is 5-3 and done for the season.

I'm tired of hearing about officials standing on the grassy knoll.


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[Chuck Norris]

You’re a big name calling personality type. Your the only sour grapes on this board. I am just stating facts. Look it up, refs were suspended and records don’t lie pal.

Where can this information be found? I’m genuinely curious.

[iupgroundhog]

For the Edinboro spot, the spot location call came from the official RIGHT THERE. Not some guy downfield, adjacent, or on the far sideline. I know that's not what you all want to hear, but if any of the zebras on the field, his judgment is the most trustworthy.

I disagree. I commented on it immediately in that week's game thread. It was a really bad spot. I don't think the ref who made the call had a good view. I went back and tried to find the video but I couldn't. If you can find it, we'll all watch it again.

Big Indians is right, though, IUP should not have been in that situation in the first place. I am not complaining or blaming the officials. I'm just saying that it was a really bad spot and it did decide the outcome of the game.

[iupgroundhog]

I disagree. I commented on it immediately in that week's game thread. It was a really bad spot. I don't think the ref who made the call had a good view. I went back and tried to find the video but I couldn't. If you can find it, we'll all watch it again.

Big Indians is right, though, IUP should not have been in that situation in the first place. I am not complaining or blaming the officials. I'm just saying that it was a really bad spot and it did decide the outcome of the game.

It's at 3:17:50. The chains are set up at the 27. They gave him a 1st down at the 28.

https://psacsportsdigitalnetwork.com...ots/?B=1408130

After reviewing it again, it is not close. It's 1 yard off. Somebody messed up.

[iupgroundhog]

For the Edinboro spot, the spot location call came from the official RIGHT THERE. Not some guy downfield, adjacent, or on the far sideline. I know that's not what you all want to hear, but if any of the zebras on the field, his judgment is the most trustworthy.

Take a look at it again. It's off by a yard. He had a brain fart, I guess. I really don't understand how you can look at the sideline marker and think it's a 1st down. And not get a measurement, at least.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Take a look at it again. It's off by a yard. He had a brain fart, I guess. I really don't understand how you can look at the sideline marker and think it's a 1st down. And not get a measurement, at least.

They don't measure anymore. I haven't seen a measurement in two years. Tort was yapping about it last week.

The key item is the arm/ball extension

[iupgroundhog]

They don't measure anymore. I haven't seen a measurement in two years. Tort was yapping about it last week.

The key item is the arm/ball extension

I didn't realize that. Take a look at that call. It was incorrect. Plus, the argument about his arm extension isn't legit because he didn't extend his arm at all.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Quite a scene at Miller tonight. IUP upset Shippensburg in Field Hockey. The Hawks won, 1-0, in OT.

[IUPNation]

Quite a scene at Miller tonight. IUP upset Shippensburg in Field Hockey. The Hawks won, 1-0, in OT.

At least one team that plays there can win a big game. The main tenant seems incapable.

[IUPNation]

The day after Dementia DonOLD held his Hate Rally at MSG, New York became the first city ever to lose a game in NFL, MLB, NHL, NBA and MLS all in the same day.

Then the Yankees collapsed entirely.

Hes a curse!! It’s why IUP is 5-3 and not 8-0.

That Idiot Rally at the KCAC was a bad mistake by the University!!

[IUPbigINDIANS]

Get the F out of here and I used to respect your takes. LH guy is 9-21 and u want to replace a guy that is 59-19 with 2 PSAC titles, 1 regional title and greater record than the guy he replaced who is the hottest coach in D1 as we speak. His 3 losses this year our directly related to 3 yes 3 Blown calls by officials who are in way over their heads. All 3 calls in the last minute of all 3 games. Crews from first 2 losses were both suspended as will those hacks at Cal on Saturday……Funny thing is if they do fire the guy probably be the best thing that ever happened to him as there facilities and support is down right a joke. In addition they would owe him a boat load of dollars. And by the way they probably beat WF in 2017 if there 2 all American defenders play Tillman (Broncos player) and Max a complete stud….just sayin. Buy hey u cats got all the answers just like u we’re calling the guy from Boro the next great coach and he hasn’t won since the IUP s### game call. His amazing record is 12 and 26. Please 🛑.

Without question, Tort has a strong overall record at IUP. There are some layers to the onion, however. And, 2017 was a long, long time ago. Things are not trending in the right direction.

These are the 'factual' items regarding the last (20) games IUP has played:


* In IUP's last (20) games, Tort is 11-9. Obviously, that's just barely over .500

* During this stretch, Tort is 0-4 against SRU/Cal (including a humiliating road loss in 2023 at SRU)

* During this stretch, the infamous 'timeout' disaster loss occurred.

* During this stretch, IUP has somehow managed to lose to Gannon, Edinboro and Seton Hill.

* During this stretch, IUP is 5-5 at Miller Stadium

* During this stretch, IUP (this season) has blown three late (2 minutes or less) leads and lost all three games.



Now, one could dig in to this 11-9 run and spin it in many different ways -- bad luck, blown calls, poor time management, poor game management, blown assignments, etc.

My opinion: They should be 18-2 over the past 20 games. They are not. Far, in fact, from it. They are 11-9. Not a math major, but that's a gigantic 7-game swing in games they should have won but didn't.

So, I'll ask, why is this program 11-9 over its past 20 games? This isn't an attack on Tort. You are what your record says you are -- and, over its past 20 games, IUP is a 'slightly' above .500 program. That's factual.

Please do not tell me about 9 sets of suspended officiating crews, phantom spots, scoreboard operators, etc.

This isn't a 'talent thing'. This team should be 8-0 right now. So, what is it? Why is this program 11-9 over its past 20 games? If it's not declining coaching, what is it?