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  • ironmaniup
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    Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post


    Some of these guys just F up. Nothing else to it. Recall IUP lost Duane Brown for a full season early in his career for the same reason. It served as his major wake-up call. We know how his story ended -- as one of the better players in program history and a graduate.

    Unfortunately, such happy endings are fairly rare. These guys are usually never seen again.

    I'd love to see Cole Weightman get his academic affairs in order and return. But, that's up to him.


    This isn't the old days at IUP. Driscoll doesn't take the same crap they did in the Frank era.

    That said, just show up to freaking class. Show up and you'll get at least all C's.
    With on-line courses, the joke was you could tell which player hard the smartest girlfriend by who had the best grades. BUt to be fair, football players generally flunk out at a lower rate than the general male population.

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  • Iupgh
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    Originally posted by Ram040506 View Post

    Mercyhurst is a joke, but if I were a new D1 program I wouldn't want to schedule a team that historically beat the crap out of us every year either and was a division down from us.
    They chose to play a NAIA School from Oakland California instead. What a clown to not even return the call.

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  • IUPbigINDIANS
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    Originally posted by Ship69 View Post

    As I said earlier, that was a big inventive to study back in the day. I never could understand the guys who goofed off back then.

    Charlie wasn't a fun team to play against.

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  • Ship69
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    Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post

    Dean Wormer already notified his local draft board.
    As I said earlier, that was a big inventive to study back in the day. I never could understand the guys who goofed off back then.

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  • Fightingscot82
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    Originally posted by IUPalum View Post

    The guy couldn't even walk into a classroom. You think he's really going to walk into a job? lol
    Dean Wormer already notified his local draft board.

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  • Tdobson
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    My experience from iup was slightly different. I was the equipment manager from 99 to 2003. When I was there they had mandatory study halls for freshman football players and any others that wanted to attend. I also know they had retired faculty available to assist any football students who needed help.

    I thought it was a nice set up.

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  • EyeoftheHawk
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    Originally posted by IUPalum View Post

    The guy couldn't even walk into a classroom. You think he's really going to walk into a job? lol
    Work force can mean a lot of things, LOL.

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  • IUPbigINDIANS
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    Originally posted by iupgroundhog View Post
    After reading Matt's article there are clearly some question marks going into the season. I think the secondary (DB's and LB's) is great. On offense they have a full stable of RB's (as usual), a strong QB room, and receivers WR and TE look good. We have an experienced kicker and punter.

    Where they really needed to make a splash was on the DL and they sort of failed in that attempt. On the OL, they lack depth, IMO. Hopefully, that group has matured and stays healthy.

    One player to keep an eye on is newly-converted DL Kelechi Okoro (6'4", 300 lbs). He was moved from the OL to the DL this past Spring.

    I'm hearing he's going to be a very pleasant surprise. He's a handful.

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  • IUPbigINDIANS
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    Originally posted by ironmaniup View Post

    Yes, there are mandated progress checks after 2 weeks, and at midterm. There is an N grade for students who don't show, because of financial aid requirements, in addition, many faculty have built in checks to on-line assignments and things, so students are notified if their progress is behind. Advisors can also sometimes access on-line student access reports. there is really no excuse. Though sometimes this happens because of students being overwhelmed by outside demands some legitimate, some not - a big one for men is gaming.

    Some of these guys just F up. Nothing else to it. Recall IUP lost Duane Brown for a full season early in his career for the same reason. It served as his major wake-up call. We know how his story ended -- as one of the better players in program history and a graduate.

    Unfortunately, such happy endings are fairly rare. These guys are usually never seen again.

    I'd love to see Cole Weightman get his academic affairs in order and return. But, that's up to him.


    This isn't the old days at IUP. Driscoll doesn't take the same crap they did in the Frank era.

    That said, just show up to freaking class. Show up and you'll get at least all C's.

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  • IUPalum
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    Originally posted by EyeoftheHawk View Post

    What’s laughable about that?
    The guy couldn't even walk into a classroom. You think he's really going to walk into a job? lol

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  • Fightingscot82
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    Originally posted by ironmaniup View Post

    Yes, there are mandated progress checks after 2 weeks, and at midterm. There is an N grade for students who don't show, because of financial aid requirements, in addition, many faculty have built in checks to on-line assignments and things, so students are notified if their progress is behind. Advisors can also sometimes access on-line student access reports. there is really no excuse. Though sometimes this happens because of students being overwhelmed by outside demands some legitimate, some not - a big one for men is gaming.
    Great points. Appreciate your perspective as someone else on here who understands higher ed. It takes many, many small decisions to be deliberately indifferent to fail. And this is an era of crazy grade inflation.

    Also let's not forget the burden of time demands of being a football player (even at D2) far surpasses anything with the exception of being a single parent working their way through school. I always kind of laugh when schools say first semester freshmen can't join a fraternity or sorority so they can get acclimated and don't jump into something so time consuming their first semester. Some schools go as far to say they can't their entire first year. But boy oh boy if that first semester freshman is a stud football recruit, that first semester they're doing all football, all the time. In college there are mandatory practices, team meetings, position meetings, game film review, workouts, athletic trainer check-ins, team study tables - and that doesn't include travel. The NCAA says students can't spend more than 20 hours a week on mandatory football activities during the season and 8 hours a week during the off season, but that doesn't include "strongly encouraged" activities (easily interpreted as mandatory by overzealous assistants and grad assistants) that some students think makes a difference in them starting or getting regular playing time. Now that most schools have summer classes moved online, the only students still around campus in the summer are athletes doing those "strongly encouraged" workouts in hopes of earning more playing time.

    Remember in high school, football is limited to an after school activity. You school from 7:30 to 2:30 then football until dark. College isn't structured like that so its a huge trap for the less disciplined students, football or not.

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  • ironmaniup
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    Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post

    Usually 2 or 3 semesters below a 2.0 GPA. Usually that means not going to class. But you're right, there are so many people who monitor this stuff it's hard to blame anyone else. He most likely was mandated to attend study halls after the first bad semester and meet with some sort of academic coach. Unfortunately it happens often.
    Yes, there are mandated progress checks after 2 weeks, and at midterm. There is an N grade for students who don't show, because of financial aid requirements, in addition, many faculty have built in checks to on-line assignments and things, so students are notified if their progress is behind. Advisors can also sometimes access on-line student access reports. there is really no excuse. Though sometimes this happens because of students being overwhelmed by outside demands some legitimate, some not - a big one for men is gaming.

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  • Fightingscot82
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    Originally posted by IUPbigINDIANS View Post

    How in the world does a potential star player flunk out? Good Lord. This isn't Yale. About the only way you could possibly flunk out of freaking IUP right now is by simply not attending class.

    Does the program no longer receive grade updates/attendance throughout the semester? I fully get it's ultimately on the player but obviously some need a little extra assistance/motivation.

    It will be interesting where he lands. I can already make an educated guess.
    Usually 2 or 3 semesters below a 2.0 GPA. Usually that means not going to class. But you're right, there are so many people who monitor this stuff it's hard to blame anyone else. He most likely was mandated to attend study halls after the first bad semester and meet with some sort of academic coach. Unfortunately it happens often.

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  • EyeoftheHawk
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    Originally posted by IUPalum View Post

    Joined the work force? That's laughable!!!
    What’s laughable about that?

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  • IUPalum
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    Originally posted by EyeoftheHawk View Post

    Not everyone is “college material” is the simplest way to put it. I don’t think he’ll turn up anywhere and I suspect he’s already joined the workforce. In all likelihood he played his last down of football at IUP last fall.
    Joined the work force? That's laughable!!!

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