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Originally posted by Fightingscot82 View Post
Its going to be a long process, especially since their performance isn't what got them the invite. Open secret is that Hurst sees this as a way to fix their financial and enrollment challenges. I don't see playing Bryant instead of Slippery Rock fixing that. Met a current Hurst athlete over the weekend who isn't very happy about the changes, especially now that they're going to be playing D1 opponents on D2 scholarships. She's considering transferring to Rock or IUP if this year is the mess she worries it will be.
Being a truly regional school in this region is difficult. NWPA is a fraction of what it once was and your only options are to pull from other struggling areas in NEOH, WNY, and SWPA. Not everyone can do private, wants the Hurst student experience, or is okay with going to a Catholic school.
It's not like moving up to the bush leagues of D1 is going to bring Mercyhust any great publicity.
You know firsthand in Pittsburgh that Robert Morris and Duquesne barely get any coverage. St. Francis might as well be on Pluto.
There's people in Indiana who follow IUP adamantly and they have no idea St. Francis (a half hour away) is a D1 school. Most think it's D3.
Will the local media in Erie (which pays less and less attention to D2) all the sudden pump the coverage of Mercyhurst? I doubt it. We'll see.
End of the day the Lake Show isn't joining the BIG. They are leaving their biggest rival behind.
It's not like they are some Grand Valley State powerhouse football program. That was -- at best -- a below average D2 team (on a good year).
Say there are 2,000 fans of Gannon and Mercyhurst in Erie. I'd guess 1,400 of them are Gannon fans. Will any of them suddenly have an interest in the 'D1' team in town? I sure as hell don't think so.
I do think they can grow to at least be competitive in the other sports. But, football is going to be painful (even in that awful league).
A year ago if you had told me one of the Erie schools was jumping up ... I'd have never guessed it would have been Mercyhurst.
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Originally posted by Tdobson View PostIt’s going to be funny to see how bad the hurst does. I wonder if they end up staying there, or beg to rejoin the PSAC?
Being a truly regional school in this region is difficult. NWPA is a fraction of what it once was and your only options are to pull from other struggling areas in NEOH, WNY, and SWPA. Not everyone can do private, wants the Hurst student experience, or is okay with going to a Catholic school.
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It’s going to be funny to see how bad the hurst does. I wonder if they end up staying there, or beg to rejoin the PSAC?
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Originally posted by iupgroundhog View PostI really don't get all this chest pumping ( I realize you're a gorilla). My perception of Pitt State is as a big football wannabe in a D2 world.
It's not really fair to compare them to SR1, because anyone who shows a pulse in SR1 gets an invite to FCS. Even if you don't have a pulse, they might invite you anyway (Mercyhurst).
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Originally posted by Wallst View Post
So, it's then absolutely about population. You can't or shouldn't have one without the other. I proved with information and math that per person there are less D2 opportunities in SR3 than there is in SR1 and its not even close.
Now go lick your wounds and enjoy your Sunday.
While some kids and their parents look at small college football as an opportunity to continue playing football, I think most decisions are made on the student/athlete experience. PA has so many high quality old, traditional private schools with football teams. There might be more of those rich old liberal arts schools in Massachusetts and/or New York, I ain't counting them, but as far as that caliber of school that also plays football I don't think any state matches PA. The list goes on and on, whether it's Albright, Delaware Valley, F&M. Moravian, Lycoming, Juniata, King's, Wilkes, Ursinus, Lebanon Valley, Dickinson, the less renowned schools in western PA, or maybe leave the state for a high quality HBCU, or maybe they get a chance to go to D1's Lehigh, Lafayette, Bucknell, Penn (or other Ivies), U of Delaware a few miles out of state, etc., etc, etc. The list goes on and on. Combine that with the scholarship situation and it's two different worlds.
I checked to see what D3 schools there are in Kansas. There aren't any. A bunch of NAIA schools that nobody ever heard of and for good reason.
Not to mention, Pitt State sponsors 12 intercollegiate sports. 12!!! Is that even NCAA legit?
I really don't get all this chest pumping ( I realize you're a gorilla). My perception of Pitt State is as a big football wannabe in a D2 world.
P.S. How do you comply with Title IX when you have 6 women's sports and 6 men's sports and one of them is football? The internet says the school is 49% female and 51 % male.Last edited by iupgroundhog; 07-15-2024, 11:11 AM.
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The time has been announced for IUP's second game of the season (at Lock Haven). Kickoff is set for 6 p.m.
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Originally posted by Ram040506 View Post
You'd have to live in the area to understand. Football is not nearly as important in the NE as it is in other areas of the country. The talent pool in general, coupled with the sheer # of football playing universities dilutes the pool of recruitable players. Universities in this area typically offer more sports in their athletic department than schools in other areas of the country. Helps with enrollment, hurts the quality of product by spreading the scholarships thin amongst too many sports.
There might be 2 or 3 schools in the entire region that are fully funded or even at 30 total equivalencies for football. Kid's generally are taking the best financial package regardless if its D2 or D3, as they should.
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Originally posted by Wallst View Post
So, it's then absolutely about population. You can't or shouldn't have one without the other. I proved with information and math that per person there are less D2 opportunities in SR3 than there is in SR1 and its not even close.
Now go lick your wounds and enjoy your Sunday.
There might be 2 or 3 schools in the entire region that are fully funded or even at 30 total equivalencies for football. Kid's generally are taking the best financial package regardless if its D2 or D3, as they should.
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Originally posted by Wallst View Post
So, it's then absolutely about population. You can't or shouldn't have one without the other. I proved with information and math that per person there are less D2 opportunities in SR3 than there is in SR1 and its not even close.
Now go lick your wounds and enjoy your Sunday.
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Originally posted by WarriorVoice View Post
It's not about population. It's about opportunities for college students, and the competition of the schools going after those students.
Now go lick your wounds and enjoy your Sunday.
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Originally posted by Wallst View Post
Valid point on more sports but I'll balance that against facilities.
Warrior Voice, someone else made the same observation about SR1 being more than the PSAC, please respond to my updated posts and numbers. As far as total population goes to my knowledge there should be very little difference between the % difference of 18-22 year olds in SR1 and SR3 as a % of total population.
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Originally posted by Tdobson View PostWhat surprises me most about that map is the far west only has 2 d2 schools. I can’t believe that as huge as California is they don’t have any d2 schools.no surprise that Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho have no d2 schools.
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What surprises me most about that map is the far west only has 2 d2 schools. I can’t believe that as huge as California is they don’t have any d2 schools.no surprise that Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho have no d2 schools.
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Originally posted by Wallst View Post
Valid point on more sports but I'll balance that against facilities.
Warrior Voice, someone else made the same observation about SR1 being more than the PSAC, please respond to my updated posts and numbers. As far as total population goes to my knowledge there should be very little difference between the % difference of 18-22 year olds in SR1 and SR3 as a % of total population.
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