THE IUP Football Thread

[IUPNation]

FYI if you want to be trendy, the new IUP Football Adidas clothing is now on sale.

The team store is open for 14 days.

I keep wanting to order from the CO-OP Store but everything looks like the same stuff they had in 1984.......

[Tdobson]

Can someone explain what happened to UND? I honestly don’t know.

As for IUP, since I’m pretty sure no more Native Americans live in Indiana, pa, why were they not allowed to keep Indians? I mean if no people in the area are that group, there would be no one to ask.

[Fightingscot82]

UND (North Dakota) were the Sioux for decades. But there are two official Sioux nations. The one had a longtime positive relationship with UND. Their logo was an accurate depiction of Sioux. The second Sioux tribe sued (say that five times) and UND lost.

[IUPbigINDIANS]

I keep wanting to order from the CO-OP Store but everything looks like the same stuff they had in 1984.......

Just bring some coin. You'll need it.

[Tdobson]

UND (North Dakota) were the Sioux for decades. But there are two official Sioux nations. The one had a longtime positive relationship with UND. Their logo was an accurate depiction of Sioux. The second Sioux tribe sued (say that five times) and UND lost.

That is just sad, the one side is okay with it and the other throws a fit. If I was UND, I would be upset.

[Fightingscot82]

That is just sad, the one side is okay with it and the other throws a fit. If I was UND, I would be upset.

There are some news articles out there. They had just built a beautiful hockey arena with their logo everywhere. I can't fathom how many millions it cost to undo.

[IUPNation]

That is just sad, the one side is okay with it and the other throws a fit. If I was UND, I would be upset.

If I was UND I would have just paid off the tribe who sued…it’s what they probably wanted anyway. I guess UND didn’t want bribe them like Flori-duh State did with the Seninoles.

Its just laughable that a school in INDIANa PA can’t be the Indians.

[iupgroundhog]

That is just sad, the one side is okay with it and the other throws a fit. If I was UND, I would be upset.

While changed by the corporate entity themselves rather than mandated by an organization like the NCAA, what do you think of Quaker Oats changing the Aunt Jemima brand, Mars, Inc. doing away with the Uncle Ben branding, or Cream of Wheat discontinuing the Rastus branding?

[Tdobson]

While changed by the corporate entity themselves rather than mandated by an organization like the NCAA, what do you think of Quaker Oats changing the Aunt Jemima brand, Mars, Inc. doing away with the Uncle Ben branding, or Cream of Wheat discontinuing the Rastus branding?

I was fine with those brands as they were. It was sad that because a few people got upset they decided to change.

[Tdobson]

If I was UND I would have just paid off the tribe who sued…it’s what they probably wanted anyway. I guess UND didn’t want bribe them like Flori-duh State did with the Seninoles.

Its just laughable that a school in INDIANa PA can’t be the Indians.

I totally agree with this statement. The school is in Indiana, PA. There is no nickname that fits it better.

I also wonder who we could have asked for permission from.

[iupgroundhog]

I was fine with those brands as they were. It was sad that because a few people got upset they decided to change.

Polling invariably showed the majority of African-Americans favored the changes. Opinions were somewhat mixed on Aunt Jemima because it was so iconic but the change was still supported by most African-Americans. This imagery was a little different because they did reflect historical perspectives on subjugation. As with all stereotypes there was some semblance of a historical reality but in the case of the African-American community that imagery is best not perpetuated. It differs from the Native American issue in that the Native American imagery diverged even further from any historical reality. In both cases, the imagery was perceived as negative by the respective communities. So, I agree with the changes.

[Fightingscot82]

Polling invariably showed the majority of African-Americans favored the changes. Opinions were somewhat mixed on Aunt Jemima because it was so iconic but the change was still supported by most African-Americans. This imagery was a little different because they did reflect historical perspectives on subjugation. As with all stereotypes there was some semblance of a historical reality but in the case of the African-American community that imagery is best not perpetuated. It differs from the Native American issue in that the Native American imagery diverged even further from any historical reality. In both cases, the imagery was perceived as negative by the respective communities. So, I agree with the changes.

Same. I'm not Black. I'm not Native American. I have no idea what its like from their perspective so I defer to them. The same way I don't opine on women's issues.

[TheBigCat2192]

There are some news articles out there. They had just built a beautiful hockey arena with their logo everywhere. I can't fathom how many millions it cost to undo.

That was mostly their own fault, as UND (and particularly Engelstad, the donor the arena is named after) had the logo plastered everywhere specifically to make changing the name as cost-prohibitive as possible.

[Ship69]

Same. I'm not Black. I'm not Native American. I have no idea what its like from their perspective so I defer to them. The same way I don't opine on women's issues.

I can't speak for black people, but I think the old Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben depictions were stereotypical in a way that was uncomfortable for many of them. If you're under 60 years old in this country you really have little idea, other than from books, of what they went through to advance to the Civil Rights Act in the '60s, which our current Supreme Court is merrily taking apart. Some of us are old enough to remember "whites only" restrooms and drinking fountains, laws against interracial marriage, quotas on athletic teams and in housing, etc. We've obviously made some progress since then, but the current rush to gerrymander minority representation of any kind, whether racial or political, out of Congress is showing there hasn't been as much progress as a lot of people seem to think.

[Tdobson]

If anyone is counting, there are only 103 days until IUP football returns.