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Originally posted by 4_tattoos View PostI wonder if this will have any effect on Claflin? They pretty much replaced Chowan as a full conference member. The CIAA would have 13 members with Claflin being the only school that doesn't have a football program.
Also, Chowan football to the SAC?
Chowan to the SAC seems likely, but probably not until 2024 when Anderson starts up. Scheduling could be rough for Chowan in 2023... maybe SIAC teams will be willing to play them?
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Originally posted by Inkblot View Post
I don't think the CIAA minds having uneven divisions in non-football sports; when you use divisional standings it doesn't matter if one division plays 18 games and the other plays 17.
Chowan to the SAC seems likely, but probably not until 2024 when Anderson starts up. Scheduling could be rough for Chowan in 2023... maybe SIAC teams will be willing to play them?
Western: Bluefield, WSSU, JCSU, LC, FSU, Claflin
Eastern: St Augs, Shaw, Bowie, VSU, VUU, ECSU, Lincoln (this setup would actually get St Augs and Shaw back together as it currently looks weird having two schools in the same city but in different divisions for all sports outside of football).
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Originally posted by Uindy18 View PostI could foresee Chowan planning to play a SIAC heavy schedule for a season or two. I bet they are going to push heavy for one more football school to open up football for Conference Carolinas.
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Soooo, let me get this straight, The CIAA is adding a school which is a much further distance from it's central footprint, a school with only 11% Black / African American enrolment, and simply kicking to the curb a school (pretty much the same size) much closer to the conference's central footprint, with an enrollment of 66% Black / African American? All because of the HBCU identifier?
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Originally posted by Eagle74 View PostSoooo, let me get this straight, The CIAA is adding a school which is a much further distance from it's central footprint, a school with only 11% Black / African American enrolment, and simply kicking to the curb a school (pretty much the same size) much closer to the conference's central footprint, with an enrollment of 66% Black / African American? All because of the HBCU identifier?
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Originally posted by Uindy18 View Post
Yes, that is exactly what is happening. I have never really understood why the somewhat arbitrary HBCU moniker garners all the extra expense of extra travel and cost across all sports in order to play in an all HBCU conference. Looking at you Kentucky State and Central State.
The HBCU designation is an official congressional designation by way of the Higher Education Act of 1965, so it's more than just a moniker. There is a set list of HBCUs and unless Congress makes changes to said list there will be no addition or subtraction of schools no matter how the demographics of their enrollment look. So it's more than just a moniker that has been adopted.
The CIAA and SIAC have both been progressive. The CIAA had Chowan as a member and also offered UNCP membership back some years ago but UNCP only wanted to be an associate member for football so the commissioner said no thanks. The SIAC also has a non HBCU member in Spring Hill. Also, there are D2 HBCUs that aren't members of predominantly HBCU conferences (Lincoln MO, WVSU, and UDC) (Cheyney also wasn't in a predominantly HBCU conference when they were D2). Central State, Kentucky State, and Lincoln PA are really the only D2 HBCUs that you could argue that they could go to other conferences to cut down travel. I know Central State was in the GMAC but I'm still not sure if they were kicked out or left on their own accord.
When it comes to Chowan and Bluefield State the racial demographics of the school and HBCU status is irrelevant. What happened a few years back was Chowan decided to leave the CIAA for the CC due to the number of sports Chowan offered that were not sponsored by the CIAA. It was beneficial for both the CIAA and Chowan to have Chowan as an associate member for football and women's bowling. I don't think Chowan still sponsors women's bowling so that just left them playing football. Recently Bluefield State more or less contacted the CIAA asking to become a full member. Since the football association with Chowan was up this year it made since to go with Bluefield State who wants to be all in versus Chowan, who was a fine member, but would obviously be obligated to the CC if they ever start sponsoring football.
Chowan was an easy trip for a lot of NC and VA CIAA schools; however, even though Bluefield State is in WV it's in the Southern part of the state. So it's only like 2 hours to WSSU and like 2.5 hours to LC and JCSU. Plus many CIAA schools have scheduled Bluefield State in various sports over the years so CIAA schools are comfortable with the travel there. At the end of the day this was a proactive move to secure a 12th football member and 13th full member instead of waiting around for Chowan to leave on their own which would have had us scrambling to find another member.
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Originally posted by Eagle74 View PostYep, that makes a whooole lot of sense. Glad the CIAA gave Chowan a good amount of notice ahead of time before pulling the plug.
Please tell me would you be beating the drum for the CIAA if it was Chowan who decided not to renew the associate membership?
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Originally posted by LegalRam View Post
Please tell me would you be beating the drum for the CIAA if it was Chowan who decided not to renew the associate membership?
Moving forward, I wish the best for both Bluefield State University and Chowan University. Maybe the other Conference Carolina football programs can help Chowan with filling open dates, if it's not to late.
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Originally posted by Eagle74 View Post
If it was the other way around, and Chowan abruptly pulled out of the CIAA alliance, that would be an easy fix, with each CIAA team that had Chowan on their upcoming schedule with only one slot to fill as opposed to Chowan having basically their whole schedule to now try and fill, with time running out.
Moving forward, I wish the best for both Bluefield State University and Chowan University. Maybe the other Conference Carolina football programs can help Chowan with filling open dates, if it's not to late.Cal U (Pa.) Class of 2014
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Originally posted by LegalRam View PostThe CIAA and SIAC have both been progressive. The CIAA had Chowan as a member and also offered UNCP membership back some years ago but UNCP only wanted to be an associate member for football so the commissioner said no thanks. The SIAC also has a non HBCU member in Spring Hill. Also, there are D2 HBCUs that aren't members of predominantly HBCU conferences (Lincoln MO, WVSU, and UDC) (Cheyney also wasn't in a predominantly HBCU conference when they were D2). Central State, Kentucky State, and Lincoln PA are really the only D2 HBCUs that you could argue that they could go to other conferences to cut down travel. I know Central State was in the GMAC but I'm still not sure if they were kicked out or left on their own accord.Cal U (Pa.) Class of 2014
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