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    Allen has applied for Division II membership: https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/com...emb_Report.pdf

    I don't know what the situation is at Allen, or whether we should expect them to be approved. But if they are, the SIAC seems like the most likely destination, particularly because they're right across the street from historical rival Benedict.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Inkblot View Post
    Allen has applied for Division II membership: https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/com...emb_Report.pdf

    I don't know what the situation is at Allen, or whether we should expect them to be approved. But if they are, the SIAC seems like the most likely destination, particularly because they're right across the street from historical rival Benedict.
    That could be a boost for the SIAC, considering the status of Paine's continued membership in the NCAA is tenuous at best (then I realized that Paine dropped football a few years ago, but Paine's issues does affect the rest of the SIAC in other sports, particularly basketball).

    If nothing else, the addition of Allen probably ensures that Benedict won't be jumping to the CIAA in the foreseeable future. And, if I'm not mistaken, that gives the SIAC 12 football schools, so that should help with scheduling.
    Cal U (Pa.) Class of 2014

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Inkblot View Post
      Allen has applied for Division II membership: https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/com...emb_Report.pdf

      I don't know what the situation is at Allen, or whether we should expect them to be approved. But if they are, the SIAC seems like the most likely destination, particularly because they're right across the street from historical rival Benedict.
      Schools applying for DII membership have to have a conference sponsor, don't they? If so, they already have a destination.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by boatcapt View Post

        Schools applying for DII membership have to have a conference sponsor, don't they? If so, they already have a destination.
        Yes, but it's not really a conference sponsor anymore; they must have a "bona fide invitation for membership" to a conference. Allen does already know where they are going, it's just not known publicly yet.

        The SIAC is the obvious guess, mostly because Benedict College is across the street and Allen was a member until 1969. I'm curious if Allen was required to add some sports because will have only 3 men's and 4 women's sports that are conference sponsored.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Tech Boys View Post
          Yes, but it's not really a conference sponsor anymore; they must have a "bona fide invitation for membership" to a conference. Allen does already know where they are going, it's just not known publicly yet.

          The SIAC is the obvious guess, mostly because Benedict College is across the street and Allen was a member until 1969. I'm curious if Allen was required to add some sports because will have only 3 men's and 4 women's sports that are conference sponsored.
          Technically, all Allen has to add is one men's and one women's sport, if their athletic website is accurate. Allen sponsors basketball, football, track and wresting on the men's side, and basketball, soccer, softball, track and volleyball on the women's side. I was under the impression that as long as a sport was sponsored by the NCAA, it didn't necessarily have to be sponsored by a conference in order to reach the 4 M/6 F or 5 M/5 F threshold required for NCAA membership (the likely choice would be cross country based on what Allen currently offers):

          From the D2 Membership Application:

          The institution shall demonstrate that it is meeting the Division II minimum sports-sponsorship requirements as outlined in Bylaw 20.10.3 (sport sponsorship) and the three-season requirement as outlined in Bylaw 20.10.4 (three-season requirement) at the time of application. Institutions must demonstrate that the sports were sponsored per the applicable legislation in the academic year immediately preceding the application date. Plans to sponsor additional sports to meet the legislated requirements in the academic year after the application deadline will not satisfy the sports-sponsorship requirement.

          Relevant bylaws from the D2 Manual:

          20.10.3 Sports Sponsorship.20.10.3.1 Acceptable Sports.20.10.3.1.1 Waiver.20.10.4 Three-Season Requirement.
          20.10.4.1 Five-Sport/Three-Season Requirement.
          A member institution shall conduct or sponsor at least one sport involving an all-male team or a mixed team of males and females and at least one sport involving an all-female team in every sport season. An institution may use a sport to meet the three-season requirement only if the institution has met the minimum contest and participants requirements for sports sponsorship in that sport as set forth in Bylaw 20.10.3.3. (Revised: 5/4/06, 7/23/13)
          20.10.4.1.1 Single-Gender Institution. Institutions that sponsor and conduct athletics programs for only one gender need not meet the four-sport/three-season requirement for the other gender. (Revised: 5/4/06, 7/23/13)
          20.10.4.1.2 Waiver.20.10.4.2 Counting Multiseason Sports.20.10.4.3 Male-Female Enrollment Ratio Waiver.20.10.4.3.1 New Division or Restricted Membership Status.20.10.4.3.1.1 Authority of Management Council.20.10.4.4 Three-Season Sport Waiver. The Management Council, by a two-thirds majority of its members present and voting, may waive the requirement that an active member shall conduct at least one sport in every sport season if the institution is precluded by its academic calendar and climatic conditions from conducting a sport in a particular season. (Revised: 5/4/06)


          When I read these bylaws, it doesn't indicate that a sport has to be sponsored by the conference extending the invitation to the prospective new member.
          Cal U (Pa.) Class of 2014

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          • #6
            Yes ctrabs74; Allen does already sponsor the needed number of teams (5m/6w) overall for D2 so no worries there, but only 3m/4w are SIAC sports which is less than all current members except the Central State women total. Allen track & field is indoor and outdoor. I was wondering about any conference requirements since I'm not aware of any SIAC sport requirements like other conferences have. The GAC requires baseball, basketball, and football for men and basketball, cross country, volleyball, and an additional spring sport for women. The SIAC does have full participation only in basketball, women's cross country, and women's volleyball. It seems odd to me that Allen has track & field without having cross country; although Flagler College has had indoor track & field all these years without having outdoor.

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            • #7
              With the MEAC in current flux what's the chances of maybe SC State looking to drop down to D2 and join the SIAC??

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              • #8
                The SIAC posted the following release today (Nov 3, 2020). It includes two notable items. Allen is a new member although there has been no official announcement anywhere. Paine is not included in the list of members despite their logo still appearing at the top of the page instead of the Allen logo. It is known that Paine forfeited NCAA membership from the D2 Membership Committee report of the July meeting.
                including recently admitted SIAC member (provisional), Allen University.The SIAC includes 14 member institutions (Albany State University, Allen University, Benedict College, Central State University, Clark Atlanta University, Fort Valley State University, Kentucky State University, Lane College, LeMoyne-Owen College, Miles College, Morehouse College, Savannah State University, Spring Hill College, and Tuskegee University), which are located within a contiguous six-state footprint (Alabama, Georgia, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee and Ohio). The SIAC sponsors seven men's and six women's sports and is a proud member of the NCAA Division II.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Tech Boys View Post
                  The SIAC posted the following release today (Nov 3, 2020). It includes two notable items. Allen is a new member although there has been no official announcement anywhere. Paine is not included in the list of members despite their logo still appearing at the top of the page instead of the Allen logo. It is known that Paine forfeited NCAA membership from the D2 Membership Committee report of the July meeting.
                  Interesting. Meanwhile, Allen has an Appalachian Athletic Conference basketball schedule up for this season: http://www.auyellowjackets.com/schedule/0/1.php

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Inkblot View Post

                    Interesting. Meanwhile, Allen has an Appalachian Athletic Conference basketball schedule up for this season: http://www.auyellowjackets.com/schedule/0/1.php
                    First I read that Allen is a new member even though no one has seen the press release about it- now they have an AAC schedule up? Vince Lombardi would like to know what the hell is going on out there!

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                    • #11
                      Allen finally makes an official announcement.

                      THE YELLOW JACKETS WILL RE-JOIN THE SOUTHERN INTERCOLLEGIATE ATHLETIC CONFERENCE (SIAC)

                      Allen University (AU) has officially re-joined the SIAC. The unanimous vote of the Council of Presidents to admit Allen is a bi-product of the NCAA membership committee's decision to admit Allen University as year-one provisional member of the NCAA. Allen University was once a powerhouse in the SIAC during its membership from 1947-1968. Many alumni remember the time fondly and are excited to see the football program being restored to the status it once had. The University is excited to join the SIAC and looks forward to not only the healthy competition to come, but the caliber of students to compete. With a dedicated athletics staff and a healthy pool of student-athletes, the institution is well on its way to an athletic renaissance. Allen sponsors thirteen intercollegiate programs. Affectionately referred to as the Yellow Jackets, student-athletes compete in men's football, men's and women's basketball, men's and women's cross country, men's and women's track & field, and women's volleyball, women's softball, men's soccer and men's wrestling.
                      No year of when they join is stated but based on the information above in the SIAC Return to Play release and the wording in this release by Allen indicates AU is already a current SIAC member. The SIAC site has not been updated to show any membership changes. It would also be nice if the SIAC made an official statement on the status of Paine College.

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                      Note: error in the Allen statement; "men's soccer" should be "women's soccer".
                      Last edited by Tech Boys; 11-09-2020, 11:58 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Tech Boys View Post
                        Allen finally makes an official announcement.



                        No year of when they join is stated but based on the information above in the SIAC Return to Play release and the wording in this release by Allen indicates AU is already a current SIAC member. The SIAC site has not been updated to show any membership changes. It would also be nice if the SIAC made an official statement on the status of Paine College.

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                        Note: error in the Allen statement; "men's soccer" should be "women's soccer".
                        Meanwhile, Augusta National just made this announcement regarding Paine:

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Tech Boys View Post
                          Allen finally makes an official announcement.



                          No year of when they join is stated but based on the information above in the SIAC Return to Play release and the wording in this release by Allen indicates AU is already a current SIAC member. The SIAC site has not been updated to show any membership changes. It would also be nice if the SIAC made an official statement on the status of Paine College.

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                          Note: error in the Allen statement; "men's soccer" should be "women's soccer".
                          Also... Allen no longer has a full Appalachian Athletic Conference basketball schedule posted. They now have 7 games listed: 3 against AAC schools and home-and-homes with the two independent NAIA HBCUs in South Carolina. http://www.auyellowjackets.com/schedule/0/1.php

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                          • #14
                            I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see this ending well for Allen. Tiny is an understatement for that school, and if you have ever been to Columbia, SC you will see that the school literally has no room to grow with Benedict across the street, Five Points, USC, and Government buildings surrounding the rest of the campus.

                            Now they have added all these sports over the past couple of years with no real funding potential or marketability for casual fans. Benedict isn't exactly drawing huge numbers, and if anybody in Columbia is craving an HBCU football game they'd rather just make the short trip to Orangeburg to see SC State play. Hopefully they'll have some luck at least turning a Benedict v. Allen matchup into a decent revenue generator.

                            I have a feeling that Allen will just be the next Stillman or Paine.

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                            • #15
                              Allen needs to be added to the SIAC team page...

                              https://thesiac.com/news/2020/11/9/g...onference.aspx

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