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What's up with Caleb Murphy's stats?
I'd like to preface this by saying I *did*not* watch the Ferris/CWU game. This is just something I noticed:
Something curious I noticed while I was going through box scores. I normally check box scores not long after their games are done as part of our D2 fantasy league on the board. I noticed after the game that Caleb Murphy, for Ferris, was credited with 4 total tackles and 1 quarterback hurry. Pretty quiet day. But then on Monday, I saw the GLIAC Player of the Week release, and he was credited with 10 total tackles, 1.5 sacks, 3 tackles for loss, and 3 quarterback hurries. I went through the play-by-play, and apparently these all changed after the game, even though Ferris was the home team and the official scorers in the first place:
Added a 0.5 TFL during the CWU drive at 7:01 of the 1st Quarter
Added a hurry during the CWU drive at 6:24 of the 2nd Quarter
Added a 0.5 tackle during the CWU drive at 14:51 of the 3rd Quarter
Added a 0.5 sack during the CWU drive at 7:48 of the 3rd Quarter
Then, they added three straight stats for Murphy during the CWU drive at 12:13 of the 4th that weren't there originally at the end of the game:
They turned a tackle for Konnor Near in to an assisted tackle with Murphy.
Then the next play, they turned a solo tackle for loss for Major Dedmond in to a 0.5 tackle for loss split between Dedmond and Murphy.
Then the next play, they turned a sack for Dedmond and Hughes in to a solo sack for Murphy.
They then went on to assign three quarterback hurries to one incomplete pass on 1st and 10 during the drive at 4:22 to play in the 4th, including one to Murphy. (There are no written guidelines from the NCAA on when to award QB hurries, but the general consensus has normally been only one player getting credit for a hurry on any specific play)
So, somehow, Murphy went from 4 total tackles (no TFL or sacks) and 1 quarterback hurry, to 10 total tackles, 1.5 sacks, 3 tackles for loss, and 3 quarterback hurries.
Generally, there's always some opinions and questionable situations as it pertains to tackles/TFL/sacks/hurries, but this seems particularly egregious, especially given that Murphy is the one on their defense being touted for all the awards this year. I'm just questioning the validity of these things and if they may be getting artificially inflated in order to benefit his award resume.
At some point I'm gonna try and get access to watching the game, but I just wanted to bring this up as I noticed it. Usually if anything gets changed after the fact, it's something like a forced fumble being changed from one player to another after replay since it's not something easy to catch in real time, or maybe changing a hurry. Changing tackles for loss and sacks and tackles in general, at this rate, seems pretty out of the ordinary.
Here's what the box score looked like after the game (and as of this posting, what it still looks like on CWU's page. For those who don't know, the home team does all the scoring, and then sends the game file to the opposing team to post):
And here is what the box score looks like on Ferris' site right now:
Anyway, just thought I'd point it out, and maybe get some input from those who actually watched the game.
EDIT:
So, as I should have anticipated, the truth is somewhere in the middle. Upon review of the game tape, here were the changes that were made which I find accurate, and which I find questionable.
During the CWU drive at 7:01 of the 1st Quarter, on 3rd and 9 at the Central Washington 48, a 0.5 TFL was added. I find this change to be accurate.
During the CWU drive at 6:24 of the 2nd Quarter, on 3rd and 11 at the Central Washington 46, a QB Hurry was added. I find this change to be accurate.
During the CWU drive at 7:48 of the 3rd Quarter, on 1st and 10 at the Central Washington 19, a 0.5 Sack (and therefore 0.5 TFL and 0.5 tackle) was added. I find this change to be inaccurate. Caleb Murphy applied initial pressure to move the QB up in the pocket, but did not touch the QB and was ultimately pushed behind the play. I've screenshotted here the situation right as the QB was sacked by two other Ferris players, with Murphy behind the play. https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...ack3rdQ748.png
During the same drive, on 1st and 10 at the Central Washington 36, a 0.5 Tackle was added. I found this to be inaccurate. The ball-carrier ran by Murphy, who got an arm on the runner while being blocked, but was run through, and two Ferris teammates tackled the ball-carrier two yards later. I suppose this could feasibly be an accurate change, but it doesn't appear the brush-by had any impact on the runner's being tackled. I've screenshotted where Murphy was at the time of the actual tackle when the runner went down, with Murphy circled in red and the ball carrier in blue. https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...kle3rdQ748.png
During the CWU drive at 12:13 of the 4th Quarter, on 1st and 10 from the Central Washington 11, a 0.5 Tackle was added. I find this to be inaccurate for a number of reasons. First and foremost, the first play of the drive took place from the 25-yard-line because the kickoff was fair caught at the 11, and the ball was placed at the 25. The box score put in a 13-yard-rush for the QB at this point, which actually should have been a rush for no gain. And on that play, Murphy was not involved in the play whatsoever. Here is a screenshot of the moment the QB went down after being tackled, solo, by a teammate. https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...FL4thQ1213.png
On the next play, a 0.5 TFL (and therefore 0.5 tackle) was awarded, and this was the most egregious miss of all of them. The QB was run out of bounds for a loss of two yards, but Murphy was nowhere involved in the play. Here is a screenshot of Murphy at the moment the QB was pushed out of bounds. https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...FL4thQ1213.png
On the next play, a full 1.0 Sack was awarded, and this is somewhat correct. I find that it should be a 0.5 sack along with teammate Major Dedmond. Both converged on the QB at the exact same time. Here is a screenshot of the moment they reached the QB. https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...ck4thQ1213.png
There is also a QB Hurry added during the CWU drive that started with 4:22 to play in the 4th Quarter, but the camera is not on the play as the play happened, so I can't verify whether this is accurate or not.
By my count, that means the final count for Murphy should be 5 total tackles, 0.5 sack, 1.5 tackles for loss. I'm not worrying about the QB Hurry number since one of them can't be verified and they don't really have a set criteria in the first place.
Something curious I noticed while I was going through box scores. I normally check box scores not long after their games are done as part of our D2 fantasy league on the board. I noticed after the game that Caleb Murphy, for Ferris, was credited with 4 total tackles and 1 quarterback hurry. Pretty quiet day. But then on Monday, I saw the GLIAC Player of the Week release, and he was credited with 10 total tackles, 1.5 sacks, 3 tackles for loss, and 3 quarterback hurries. I went through the play-by-play, and apparently these all changed after the game, even though Ferris was the home team and the official scorers in the first place:
Added a 0.5 TFL during the CWU drive at 7:01 of the 1st Quarter
Added a hurry during the CWU drive at 6:24 of the 2nd Quarter
Added a 0.5 tackle during the CWU drive at 14:51 of the 3rd Quarter
Added a 0.5 sack during the CWU drive at 7:48 of the 3rd Quarter
Then, they added three straight stats for Murphy during the CWU drive at 12:13 of the 4th that weren't there originally at the end of the game:
They turned a tackle for Konnor Near in to an assisted tackle with Murphy.
Then the next play, they turned a solo tackle for loss for Major Dedmond in to a 0.5 tackle for loss split between Dedmond and Murphy.
Then the next play, they turned a sack for Dedmond and Hughes in to a solo sack for Murphy.
They then went on to assign three quarterback hurries to one incomplete pass on 1st and 10 during the drive at 4:22 to play in the 4th, including one to Murphy. (There are no written guidelines from the NCAA on when to award QB hurries, but the general consensus has normally been only one player getting credit for a hurry on any specific play)
So, somehow, Murphy went from 4 total tackles (no TFL or sacks) and 1 quarterback hurry, to 10 total tackles, 1.5 sacks, 3 tackles for loss, and 3 quarterback hurries.
Generally, there's always some opinions and questionable situations as it pertains to tackles/TFL/sacks/hurries, but this seems particularly egregious, especially given that Murphy is the one on their defense being touted for all the awards this year. I'm just questioning the validity of these things and if they may be getting artificially inflated in order to benefit his award resume.
At some point I'm gonna try and get access to watching the game, but I just wanted to bring this up as I noticed it. Usually if anything gets changed after the fact, it's something like a forced fumble being changed from one player to another after replay since it's not something easy to catch in real time, or maybe changing a hurry. Changing tackles for loss and sacks and tackles in general, at this rate, seems pretty out of the ordinary.
Here's what the box score looked like after the game (and as of this posting, what it still looks like on CWU's page. For those who don't know, the home team does all the scoring, and then sends the game file to the opposing team to post):
And here is what the box score looks like on Ferris' site right now:
Anyway, just thought I'd point it out, and maybe get some input from those who actually watched the game.
EDIT:
So, as I should have anticipated, the truth is somewhere in the middle. Upon review of the game tape, here were the changes that were made which I find accurate, and which I find questionable.
During the CWU drive at 7:01 of the 1st Quarter, on 3rd and 9 at the Central Washington 48, a 0.5 TFL was added. I find this change to be accurate.
During the CWU drive at 6:24 of the 2nd Quarter, on 3rd and 11 at the Central Washington 46, a QB Hurry was added. I find this change to be accurate.
During the CWU drive at 7:48 of the 3rd Quarter, on 1st and 10 at the Central Washington 19, a 0.5 Sack (and therefore 0.5 TFL and 0.5 tackle) was added. I find this change to be inaccurate. Caleb Murphy applied initial pressure to move the QB up in the pocket, but did not touch the QB and was ultimately pushed behind the play. I've screenshotted here the situation right as the QB was sacked by two other Ferris players, with Murphy behind the play. https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...ack3rdQ748.png
During the same drive, on 1st and 10 at the Central Washington 36, a 0.5 Tackle was added. I found this to be inaccurate. The ball-carrier ran by Murphy, who got an arm on the runner while being blocked, but was run through, and two Ferris teammates tackled the ball-carrier two yards later. I suppose this could feasibly be an accurate change, but it doesn't appear the brush-by had any impact on the runner's being tackled. I've screenshotted where Murphy was at the time of the actual tackle when the runner went down, with Murphy circled in red and the ball carrier in blue. https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...kle3rdQ748.png
During the CWU drive at 12:13 of the 4th Quarter, on 1st and 10 from the Central Washington 11, a 0.5 Tackle was added. I find this to be inaccurate for a number of reasons. First and foremost, the first play of the drive took place from the 25-yard-line because the kickoff was fair caught at the 11, and the ball was placed at the 25. The box score put in a 13-yard-rush for the QB at this point, which actually should have been a rush for no gain. And on that play, Murphy was not involved in the play whatsoever. Here is a screenshot of the moment the QB went down after being tackled, solo, by a teammate. https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...FL4thQ1213.png
On the next play, a 0.5 TFL (and therefore 0.5 tackle) was awarded, and this was the most egregious miss of all of them. The QB was run out of bounds for a loss of two yards, but Murphy was nowhere involved in the play. Here is a screenshot of Murphy at the moment the QB was pushed out of bounds. https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...FL4thQ1213.png
On the next play, a full 1.0 Sack was awarded, and this is somewhat correct. I find that it should be a 0.5 sack along with teammate Major Dedmond. Both converged on the QB at the exact same time. Here is a screenshot of the moment they reached the QB. https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...ck4thQ1213.png
There is also a QB Hurry added during the CWU drive that started with 4:22 to play in the 4th Quarter, but the camera is not on the play as the play happened, so I can't verify whether this is accurate or not.
By my count, that means the final count for Murphy should be 5 total tackles, 0.5 sack, 1.5 tackles for loss. I'm not worrying about the QB Hurry number since one of them can't be verified and they don't really have a set criteria in the first place.
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