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Originally posted by libertybearcat View Post
Seems like there were some NW names being thrown around that could have filled the void. Can't remember specifically who, but past O-linemen who were coaching elsewhere. Of course, those were names being thrown around here! :)
Holtzclaw
Both are OL coaches in D2 right now.
Rich Wright has hired outside the MT coaching tree 100% of the time. It's foolish to think he wouldn't do it again.
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Originally posted by Brandon View Post
Wardenburg
Holtzclaw
Both are OL coaches in D2 right now.
Rich Wright has hired outside the MT coaching tree 100% of the time. It's foolish to think he wouldn't do it again.
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I think people forget that Rich himself is a hire "outside of the program" and so was Charlie. Yes, they were both GA's (here and other places), but Rich spent two years at NW and then went out to a couple of other programs before coming back. I get he was "connected" to NW, but it isn't like AD/Bostwick/Clayton/Osborne that played here first and then coached.
Personally, I do think that if a coach is qualified (first priority) and he happens to be NW guy, then great. Knowing the culture of the program and understanding the town is a great benefit. Again, however, the first priority is being able to coach.
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Originally posted by catz54 View PostI think people forget that Rich himself is a hire "outside of the program" and so was Charlie. Yes, they were both GA's (here and other places), but Rich spent two years at NW and then went out to a couple of other programs before coming back. I get he was "connected" to NW, but it isn't like AD/Bostwick/Clayton/Osborne that played here first and then coached.
Personally, I do think that if a coach is qualified (first priority) and he happens to be NW guy, then great. Knowing the culture of the program and understanding the town is a great benefit. Again, however, the first priority is being able to coach.
When someone was a GA here and ends up on staff full time I consider them an inside the program hire even if they get experience elsewhere. I think it's a huge bonus for them to get experience outside the program.
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Originally posted by libertybearcat View Post
Are you defining inside the program as having to have played at NW?
When someone was a GA here and ends up on staff full time I consider them an inside the program hire even if they get experience elsewhere. I think it's a huge bonus for them to get experience outside the program.
Basically, his experience and his experience coaching defense is entirely outside of the program.
If someone is a GA at Northwest, but also a GA at a couple of other places, does that mean they Northwest guys? Coaches are going to be much more partial to the people they know when going to hire someone. It's a job that requires a lot of trust and constantly working together.
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Originally posted by Fro-th_and_goal View Post
Do you think he has 100% say in who he hires?
Obviously, complete outsider perspective, but I would think that other than regular HR background checks and general anti-nepotism laws, he's gotta have 100% say in who he hires.
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Originally posted by GorillaBred View Post
Presumably, the person he hires has about 50% of the say.
Obviously, complete outsider perspective, but I would think that other than regular HR background checks and general anti-nepotism laws, he's gotta have 100% say in who he hires.
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Originally posted by catz54 View Post
Rich has been coaching since 1991. From 1991-2003 (12 years) he was Northwest for 2 of them as a GA. Which means he was hired from outside of the program to be a GA and spent 10 of 12 years not tied to Northwest. If I remember correctly, he was a TE GA and never coached defense at Northwest until he was hired as the DL coach. I may be wrong about that because his last year as a GA was the year I was a senior/being recruited.
Basically, his experience and his experience coaching defense is entirely outside of the program.
If someone is a GA at Northwest, but also a GA at a couple of other places, does that mean they Northwest guys? Coaches are going to be much more partial to the people they know when going to hire someone. It's a job that requires a lot of trust and constantly working together.
Guess I see that as he got his start in coaching at NW as a GA, so that makes him a NW guy even though he got more experience elsewhere. I'd still consider a 1 year GA a NW guy.
Not trying to be argumentative with ya, I know you played, hell I was in school a long time before NW got good, was curious about what you considered it takes to be a NW guy.
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it's obviously arbitrary & in the eye of the beholder as to what qualifies as (sufficient) outside experience & what makes one a nwms guy.
rw went outside the fam so to speak for cunningham so i'm not sure i get the assumption that he wouldn't necessarily do it again.
we have been missing on offensive skill players for awhile which is a coaching issue on that side of the ball.
put a gun to my head idk who the dead weight was per se (or if it was just inevitable to eventually dip a little bit) but some fresh blood on staff could be a good thing.
seems to me the way this has played out this offseason rw knows what he's doing & has it all under control & i'm looking forward to seeing who he brings in.
my guess is they interview the new pitt coach (wilson/wright....whatever his name is) just to at least kick the tires. beyond that i haven't a clue.Go Bearcats!
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Originally posted by libertybearcat View Post
So, if I'm understanding you correctly, you're saying they have to be a player who becomes a coach to be considered a NW guy or a GA who never goes anywhere else or if they went somewhere else, they had to have coached in their current discipline when they GA'd at NW?
Guess I see that as he got his start in coaching at NW as a GA, so that makes him a NW guy even though he got more experience elsewhere. I'd still consider a 1 year GA a NW guy.
Not trying to be argumentative with ya, I know you played, hell I was in school a long time before NW got good, was curious about what you considered it takes to be a NW guy.So Joe is wrong - he had actually been coaching for 13 years prior to coming to NW as the DL coach. In those 13 years, 2 of them were as a GA at NW - it would be hard to argue that RW was truly a "NW guy" at the time that Mel hired him to coach the Dline.1995-1996 Northwest Missouri State (GA) 1997 1998 Central Methodist (assistant) 1999 William Penn (assistant) 2000-2003 St. Ambrose (assistant) 2004-2016 Northwest Missouri State 2016-Present Northwest Missouri State (HC) Last edited by BearcatDude; 12-20-2019, 04:41 PM.Help out D2football.com - click on an ad
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Originally posted by northwest missouri state View Postit's obviously arbitrary & in the eye of the beerholder as to what qualifies as (sufficient) outside experience & what makes one a nwms guy.
rw went outside the fam so to speak for cunningham so i'm not sure i get the assumption that he wouldn't necessarily do it again.
we have been missing on offensive skill players for awhile which is a coaching issue on that side of the ball.
put a gun to my head idk who the dead weight was per se (or if it was just inevitable to eventually dip a little bit) but some fresh blood on staff could be a good thing.
seems to me the way this has played out this offseason rw knows what he's doing & has it all under control & i'm looking forward to seeing who he brings in.
my guess is they interview the new pitt coach (wilson/wright....whatever his name is) just to at least kick the tires. beyond that i haven't a clue.
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Coaching trees work like this:
If a guy was a ga for 5 minutes and goes on to be wildly successful, he's in the tree.
If a guy is a ga and goes on to fail miserably, he's not in the tree.
For purposes of this discussion, experience outside the staff is the most important factor in staving off the inbreeding.
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