Football schedule vote

[Taxman]

It's not the committee's job to dissuade scheduling.

[Taxman]

UNK has done a great job. Maybe the process wouldn't have taken five years if they'd had a chance to play some non-cons. Or maybe you're right and that would be counterproductive. I'd rather each program make that decision for themselves.

Yes, the silo schedule is great for distinguishing between two MIAA teams (although your hypothetical can happen in a silo schedule too--who gets seeded higher between a 9-2 Northwest team and an 8-3 Emporia team that beat them head to head?). But how do we compare a 10-1 MIAA team vs. a 10-1 (or 9-2 or 11-0) GAC team?

Easy. Choose the MIAA team. :)

[Taxman]

Because they use some horrible criteria invented because of the scheduling practices of the GAC and MIAA.

GVSU had three losses but would most likely be behind Wayne State because of the h-2-h loss.
Lindenwood had two losses (I personally think an FCS loss should count against a team).

The thing to remember is that the more non-conferences games played the bigger the margins become IF the MIAA and GLIAC are truly better than the GAC and GLVC. If they aren't, fine, stay in the current scheduling model but quit bragging about being the SEC of D2.

The SEC of D2 deal died, or should have died, a long time ago. It's still a better overall conference than the GAC and GLVC. The GLVC can't even be a debate. It's full of MIAA rejects.

[Taxman]

I am 100% behind this. Personally I think ten team leagues are the best way to go for scheduling, travel, building rivalries, etc. But unfortunately all of the movement in collegiate athletics causes a lot of administrators, mostly on the conference level, to like the relative stability of larger conferences. Think about the Lone Star and Great Northwest conferences. Both of them have dropped down at one point to where they had to come up with all sorts of strange ways to fill out their schedules - playing home and home in the same season, playing conference crossovers at the end of the year, etc.
If I could be ruler of all D2 I would realign all football playing conferences to include ten teams and cap all conferences not involving football at 12. Of course that would probably mean the end of either the RMAC or the GNAC because of the lack of schools in the west.

100% behind this. And remove strict regionalization while we're at it. Imagine the number of out of conference games created if you cap every football conference at 10 football playing schools.

[Taxman]

not playing everyone isn't the solution it'll only muddy the waters depending on the yr w/ respect to the league title & devalue it.
we need natural attrition to occur & when it does we don't add schools & then sched non con games. the damage is done as far as adding all these schools, it is what it is.
once that attrition occurs add a non con or 2. hopefully 2 but 1 is better than none.

I'm actually beginning to soften my stance on the needing to play all conference teams for a true champion bit but the randomness of who you end up with on the conference schedule coupled with adding noncon games results in a lot of variance outside of a program's control. This may not be worth it for the sake of "fun".

[northwest missouri state]

it is just a matter of what you value. as awful as silo is i prefer it to competing for a league title against a school(s) we'd necessarily not play while competing for said title.

we might think let's say that ps was better than es in 2013. i just think for them not to ever have the chance to play outside of possibly the po's if both make it is asinine when awarding a conf title they are both competing in part against each other for

at least in div 1a there are ccg's where there is a logical path to a reasonable outcome for such scenarios. that wouldn't work here w/ scheduling for the po's obv.

now if you don't think the cc is that important then maybe it's not as big a deal. i happen to think it's really important....more important than the nc frankly. winning the latter is extremely rare, our recent run not w/ standing whereas a cc is more consistently attainable for all schools involved & involves beating our rivals.

so it just depends on pov.

[GrifFan]

it is just a matter of what you value. as awful as silo is i prefer it to competing for a league title against a school(s) we'd necessarily not play while competing for said title.

we might think let's say that ps was better than es in 2013. i just think for them not to ever have the chance to play outside of possibly the po's if both make it is asinine when awarding a conf title they are both competing in part against each other for

at least in div 1a there are ccg's where there is a logical path to a reasonable outcome for such scenarios. that wouldn't work here w/ scheduling for the po's obv.

now if you don't think the cc is that important then maybe it's not as big a deal. i happen to think it's really important....more important than the nc frankly. winning the latter is extremely rare, our recent run not w/ standing whereas a cc is more consistently attainable for all schools involved & involves beating our rivals.

so it just depends on pov.

As I understand what Looney is proposing, this would somewhat be addressed by a flex game in week 11, when you'd pair the teams from each division that hadn't played each other. If you have two teams that go undefeated, you'd have a clear picture. If the best team in a division has a loss or two, it gets murkier, but that's true in the silo schedule too.

[Brandon]

now if you don't think the cc is that important then maybe it's not as big a deal. i happen to think it's really important....more important than the nc frankly. winning the latter is extremely rare, our recent run not w/ standing whereas a cc is more consistently attainable for all schools involved & involves beating our rivals.

so it just depends on pov.

Yes, but you like 1970's traditions and silver pants.

[northwest missouri state]

As I understand what Looney is proposing, this would somewhat be addressed by a flex game in week 11, when you'd pair the teams from each division that hadn't played each other. If you have two teams that go undefeated, you'd have a clear picture. If the best team in a division has a loss or two, it gets murkier, but that's true in the silo schedule too.

semi/somewhat but not really. there would be years it works out (probably more often than not) & others where it wouldn't.

& murkier again based on personal pov if you have a problem w/ co-champs. i do not. i like h2h in order to settle seeding but this yr for ex i don't view our game w/ cm as being weightier than our game w/ nk or their game w/ nk. they beat them we didn't. but we played the same league sched & can reasonably conclude we did as well as they did & vv & no one else did as well. so it's a fair outcome to send a trophy to both maryville & wburg. when that occurs w/ the proposed plan itt it creates a cluster that leaves you w/ no clear cut champ or clear cut cochamps.

maybe lw needs to get in over us one of these years. it'd serve us right for taking such a stance in regards to silo.

[northwest missouri state]

Yes, but you like 1970's traditions and silver pants.

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idr the '70s tradition you speak of but no doubt all those unis above look fab w/ just one think in common. quite the coinkidink.

[Brandon]

Just horrible.

[GorillaBred]

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idr the '70s tradition you speak of but no doubt all those unis above look fab w/ just one think in common. quite the coinkidink.

Now I want to tell you a story. And I'm going to ask you to close your eyes... I want you to picture those pants... Now imagine they're white.

[Wallst]

it is just a matter of what you value. as awful as silo is i prefer it to competing for a league title against a school(s) we'd necessarily not play while competing for said title.

we might think let's say that ps was better than es in 2013. i just think for them not to ever have the chance to play outside of possibly the po's if both make it is asinine when awarding a conf title they are both competing in part against each other for

at least in div 1a there are ccg's where there is a logical path to a reasonable outcome for such scenarios. that wouldn't work here w/ scheduling for the po's obv.

now if you don't think the cc is that important then maybe it's not as big a deal. i happen to think it's really important....more important than the nc frankly. winning the latter is extremely rare, our recent run not w/ standing whereas a cc is more consistently attainable for all schools involved & involves beating our rivals.

so it just depends on pov.

So in your mind Bill Self is a better coach than Coach K, Tom Izzo, and Jay Wright? He is the king of the small pond but has trouble when the pond and the fish get bigger.

If you win a national title or make deep playoff runs every year wouldn't you also by default win your conference most of those years and defeat your rivals in almost all those years?

[Predatory Primates]

Did they vote yet, and what was the result?

[northwest missouri state]

So in your mind Bill Self is a better coach than Coach K, Tom Izzo, and Jay Wright? He is the king of the small pond but has trouble when the pond and the fish get bigger.

If you win a national title or make deep playoff runs every year wouldn't you also by default win your conference most of those years and defeat your rivals in almost all those years?

no. coach k is the best of all time, the others you mentioned are comparable.
yes

the point of my comment there is related to how i feel the league should prioritize what it would necessarily give deference to when figuring out scheduling.