Northeastern State Bowl Bound*

[GorillaTeacher]

Last year alone there were 6 teams in the conference with winning records.

[Mule Dad]

Disagree with this. If FHSU or UCM (may be others but I just know their OOC off top of my head) run the table outside of Pitt/NW with their OOC schedules I think they make the playoffs this year at 9-2.

Can’t guarantee that but if Hays had wins against Angelo and Pueblo it would’ve been hard to keep them out. I think the key to being the “3rd team in” is having a tough OOC that you win or splitting with the other 2 big dogs.

I think a 9-2 MIAA team is tough to leave at home on the couch as long as they’re not scheduling Lincoln and William Jewell for their 2 noncons.

You just can't lose to the Washburns, Kearneys, and Emporia States of the conference and expect to make the playoffs. Finish off your noncon wins when you have the opportunity and you can afford to lose to the top 2 teams in the league, whoever they might be year to year.

[the Northeasterner]

Last year alone there were 6 teams in the conference with winning records.

And this year? There were five and only four with winning conference records. And three of those were 6-5.

The amount of money that alumni donate in the MIAA do you think they're going to be okay with 6 and 5s. If a third team finishes with 7-2 or 8-1 those wins have to come from somewhere. So now you haveteams dragging down SOS.

My point and sane general one I've tried to make for over a decade is that I'm a conference where everyone puts an heavy emphasis on football success there is not enough success to go around and the programs and stakeholders happy. How many ex miaa programs are there now ?


Down in region 2 there are some programs who had same problem twenty years ago I garuntee that is not a future I want NSU stuck with

[washeduptiger]

You just can't lose to the Washburns, Kearneys, and Emporia States of the conference and expect to make the playoffs. Finish off your noncon wins when you have the opportunity and you can afford to lose to the top 2 teams in the league, whoever they might be year to year.

Bingo. Just no one was able to do that this year.

[GorillaTeacher]

And this year? There were five and only four with winning conference records. And three of those were 6-5.

The amount of money that alumni donate in the MIAA do you think they're going to be okay with 6 and 5s. If a third team finishes with 7-2 or 8-1 those wins have to come from somewhere. So now you haveteams dragging down SOS.

My point and sane general one I've tried to make for over a decade is that I'm a conference where everyone puts an heavy emphasis on football success there is not enough success to go around and the programs and stakeholders happy. How many ex miaa programs are there now ?


Down in region 2 there are some programs who had same problem twenty years ago I garuntee that is not a future I want NSU stuck with

There are all sorts of teams leaving all sorts of conferences. They leave largely because of money, not due to their programs success. Last year, the conference went something like 16-4 out of conference matchups, and this year, the exact opposite. which is one of the reasons why Pitt's SOS wasn't has high as it could have been. There is plenty of success to go around if you're willing to invest and find the right coach. All teams can be successfull. You're trying to compare a team like NWMSU that had once in a generation success in football, and Pitt that has decades of tradition to every program. But the fact that every year, there are teams that aren't PSU and NWMSU competing for the conference title is evidence to the contrary. NSU made bad football decisions for years, and somehow it is the conference's fault that NSU did not find the right people and held those people accountable.

You've blamed the conference for the schedule, even though the schedule was based on a formula when we were silo. Every other year, the last 2 games became the first 2 and the games shifted by two weeks, then every year the home and home switched. Seems pretty fair to me.

Currently, 6 of the current 10 teams in the conference have .500 win percentage or better since they have been in the conference. All of those 6 have been champs or co-champs and a 7th has been a champ in the last 20 years. And all of them have been playoff teams at one point or another. To me, that shows me that schools other than NW and PSU can and do have success.

I agree, some schools have an advantage, but its not from the conference. Its what the programs have done. NWMSU was terrible for a looooooong time, then the football coaching GOD Mel T came along and built something. Pitt had some success in the 40x-60's, then Franchione came along and brought it back, but the tradition was already there, and the university commitment to it. It's not and never was the conference tying your hands. They're beholden to the entire conference and any major decision must be made by university presidents by a majority vote.

As to your point about the schools that have left the conference, many left and moved up. But over the last 40 years, most of the Missouri state schools that are in it, have still been it it, except Truman? Pitt and Wu have been in since the late 80s, ESU, early 90s. Hays since 2006.

Since 1924- Not the original, but basically, UCM, NWMSU, TRUMAN(NEMSU), are still D2 out of 5. MOState,and SEMO are now FBS and FCS.
1935- UCM, NWMSU, Truman, MOST
1970-UCM, LU, TRUMAN, NWMSU, MOST
1980-UCM, LU, TRUMAN, NWMSU, MOST, UMSL
1986-UCM, LU, TRUMAN, NWMSU, MOST, UMSL, SWBU
1989- UCM, LU, TRUMAN, NWMSU, MOST, UMSL, SWBU, MOSO, WOWest, PSU, WU
1991- UCM, LU, TRUMAN, NWMSU, MOST, UMSL, SWBU, MOSO, WOWest, PSU, WU, ESU
1996- UCM, LU, TRUMAN, NWMSU, MOST, SWBU, MOSO, WOWest, PSU, WU, ESU
1999- UCM, TRUMAN, NWMSU, MOST, SWBU, MOSO, WOWest, PSU, WU, ESU
2004- UCM, TRUMAN, NWMSU, SWBU, MOSO, WOWest, PSU, WU, ESU
2006- UCM, TRUMAN, NWMSU, SWBU, MOSO, WOWest, PSU, WU, ESU, HAYS
2007- UCM, TRUMAN, NWMSU, MOSO, WOWest, PSU, WU, ESU, HAYS
2011- UCM, NWMSU, MOSO, WOWest, PSU, WU, ESU, HAYS, UCO, NSU, UNK Lindenwood, LU
2012- UCM, NWMSU, MOSO, WOWest, PSU, WU, ESU, HAYS, UCO, NSU, UNK Lindenwood, LU
2014- UCM, NWMSU, MOSO, WOWest, PSU, WU, ESU, HAYS, UCO, NSU, UNK Lindenwood
2019- UCM, NWMSU, MOSO, WOWest, PSU, WU, ESU, HAYS, UCO, NSU, UNK, LU
2023- UCM, NWMSU, MOSO, WOWest, PSU, WU, ESU, HAYS, UCO, UNK.

Looks pretty consistent to me. We have the pleasure of being in a D2 rich region with lots of universities.

[the Northeasterner]

Six and five every year is not going to get the donations that you're looking for to invest into the program.

I'm not blaming the MIAA for nsu problems except for three things.

1 the first schedule we got in the MIAA was brutal and unusually unfair compared to the other three newcomers.evdn with that we won our last four with an upset over ucm.

2. Going to the silo because nwmsu couldn't schedule non conf.

3 and not splitting into divisions when we had 14 teams


And two of those hurt everybody on the bottom end.


If you don't take care of all the programs you will lose those programs. This is what so many top heavy conf find out. And who in the right mind is going to join a conference but there's no hope of being good or building something.

Is this model better than the silo ? 1000% yes. The silo was a disaster that was slowly destroying every program even the top end.

The original point is I don't know if it's in our best interest to go back to playing MIAA conf football. And once all gone guess who going to be next to take the bootheel. Miso, western. Washburn.

And it breaks my heart to see Washburn struggle because they spent 10 years competing against pit Northwest trying to get that third team in the po back when it was only six team regions. I watched mo west just trounce a Henderson State team in playoffsplaying big boy football. And I grew up 45 miles from moso. I want to see all of them succeed every once in a while