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  • ccmoney8
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    Originally posted by Lumberjack View Post
    Just in case anyone was wondering about the future of Lumberjack Football:

    https://hsujacks.com/news/2020/2/19/...-director.aspx
    That is a bigtime hire in the NCAA world. Not so much in the D2 football world. I suspect she won't be there long, anyway. If I'm reading this right, she is absolutely there to pulverize budgets and then jump ship for a bigger job.

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  • crixus
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    Originally posted by tsull View Post

    It's tough to bring back football, the community should stand up for it. I find it interesting that those downtown pizza places, restaurants, etc., are willing to sacrifice most of their money in the fall for no football. Pretty amazing. In tiny Monmouth after a football game good luck in finding an open table at a restaurant.

    Their admin created this mess and left town, it's amazing. They'd solve part of their enrollment troubles by bringing football back. Sadly, that school has clue zero right now. I feel bad for their fans, alums, and the community.
    I agree with you, the Administration at Humboldt State is clueless. And as usual, the people who really care are paying for it.

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  • tsull
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    Originally posted by Tech Boys View Post
    Thanks tsull, that means so much.

    Arkansas is a small state in area and population. The Seattle Urban Area population is more than Arkansas. The state has 21 4-year schools with athletics. Tech is less than 2 hours (117 miles) from UArk, 80 miles from Little Rock, and 45 miles from that D1annabee (love that) all on Interstate travel; AR State is less than 3 hours (176 miles) away. Although ATU's enrollment has leveled off since our new president took over in 2014 we are still the 3rd largest in the state, behind UArk and AR State. The current president is the first female president of a public 4-year school in the state; and shortly after taking office, she traveled the country to meet alumni (including here in Denver).

    Now, in your best Ronald Reagan "tear down these walls" voice:

    Humboldt State University, Bring Back Football!
    Love it! So many good examples out there of schools that cranked things up. I used three -- Western Oregon, Montana State, and with your help, Arkansas Tech. It can be done. HSU football can come back, that school can crank up enrollment.

    The older I get the more I think college presidents with some vaunted obscure research background is a non-starter. The president has to do a lot of things, at the forefront make sure things are moving in a positive direction.

    Another example: Oregon State (20 miles from WOU), back to back phenomenal presidents hired from Oklahoma and Ohio State. Enrollment at OSU is the largest in the state, yes, even more than NIKE U. Huge science buildings are popping up on that campus like weeks -- forestry building and another science building, privately raised funds on most of them. Semi-new engineering building is mind-blowing. While Oregon has focused their enrollment on California students, OSU has become the people's university of Oregon, targeting in-state kids -- like WOU.

    Humboldt State needs to quit hiring clowns and find some people who understand enrollment. Arkansas Tech would be a good field trip for HSU admins.

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  • Tech Boys
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    Thanks tsull, that means so much.

    Arkansas is a small state in area and population. The Seattle Urban Area population is more than Arkansas. The state has 21 4-year schools with athletics. Tech is less than 2 hours (117 miles) from UArk, 80 miles from Little Rock, and 45 miles from that D1annabee (love that) all on Interstate travel; AR State is less than 3 hours (176 miles) away. Although ATU's enrollment has leveled off since our new president took over in 2014 we are still the 3rd largest in the state, behind UArk and AR State. The current president is the first female president of a public 4-year school in the state; and shortly after taking office, she traveled the country to meet alumni (including here in Denver).

    Now, in your best Ronald Reagan "tear down these walls" voice:

    Humboldt State University, Bring Back Football!

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  • tsull
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    I'm quickly becoming an Arkansas Tech fan, just saw their awesome school website, a video where they earned an honor of a university of distinction, a part that said where they believe all students matter. (Unlike Humboldt State, where football players don't matter.) But the big part for me was this lead in on the main website: I

    iT'S NOT ABOUT WHERE YOU COME FROM



    It's about where you end up.


    There’s an overachieving spirit here at Arkansas Tech University. We’re never content with the way things are. We’re always striving, reaching, working toward a better tomorrow. Our alumni never settle for less than the best from themselves. Our faculty never settles for less than the best from our students. Our students never settle for less than the best from their university.

    __________________________________________________ _______________________________________


    It's about all those things, what a great statement. This is why I don't believe remote schools, or rural schools, or state schools, whatever, are dying because mommy and daddy don't like them, or kids are just going to go to only Arkansas, or UCLA, or University of Oregon, Washington, etc. Other schools can thrive ... look at Arkansas Tech. But you better have good leadership and you better believe in yourselves.

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  • tsull
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    Originally posted by Tech Boys View Post
    I can relate to all this. Despite our location at the mid-point of Little Rock and Fort Smith on I-40, the enrollment at Arkansas Tech topped 3,000 for the first time in 1980 (our 71st year). It remained in the 3,000s for over a decade. Dr. Robert C. Brown became our president in 1993 and this quote is from the announcement that he would receive the title of President Emeritus upon his retirement after 21 years. He was our president when we moved from NAIA to D2 in 1995.
    So impressive, the Arkansas Tech president nearly tripled the enrollment in two decades. The state has a very prominent SEC school and another D-1 school in Arkansas State, and others (UALR) and D1annabee Central Arkansas, yet Tech has cranked up enrollment, on-campus living, number of degrees, budget, number of majors, etc., because of the work and leadership primarily of one very sharp president.

    It's because of examples like these that I don't believe Humboldt State is a lost cause, and many other universities, too. It's all about leadership.

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  • Tech Boys
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    I can relate to all this. Despite our location at the mid-point of Little Rock and Fort Smith on I-40, the enrollment at Arkansas Tech topped 3,000 for the first time in 1980 (our 71st year). It remained in the 3,000s for over a decade. Dr. Robert C. Brown became our president in 1993 and this quote is from the announcement that he would receive the title of President Emeritus upon his retirement after 21 years. He was our president when we moved from NAIA to D2 in 1995.

    When Brown was elected president by the Arkansas Tech Board of Trustees on May 19, 1993, enrollment at the university was 4,730 students, 850 of which lived on campus. The annual institutional budget was $31.6 million, there were 180 full-time faculty members, Arkansas Tech offered 62 programs of academic study and 30 of those programs held accreditations.

    In the year before Brown arrived, Arkansas Tech conferred 711 degrees.

    Two decades later, enrollment at Arkansas Tech is 11,385 — including more than 2,500 who choose to live on campus — the institutional budget is $144.8 million, there are 330 full-time faculty members and Tech offers more than 120 programs of study — 58 of which are nationally or internationally recognized by accrediting bodies.

    The Arkansas Tech freshman class exceeded the national and state averages on the ACT examination for a 19th consecutive year this fall.

    Among all degrees that Arkansas Tech has awarded during those 104 years, more than 57 percent have been earned during Brown’s two-decade tenure as its president.

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  • tsull
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    More on leadership ... and I think Runnin' Cat can help me here as I believe he lives in Montana.

    I used WOU as an example for enrollment, growth, and most importantly, good leadership. I'll use a more recent example.

    Montana State University for decades took an unfair 2nd fiddle position to the University of Montana. The UM now has lost more students than any school in the nation -- a national, public rape scandal didn't help things.

    Montana State -- in very rural Bozeman -- was going to move fast no matter what UM did, scandal or not. They hired a hot shot president, Dr. Cruzado, who ramped up several things. Friend of mine is a Bozeman guy, Bobcat booster, and he said within weeks on campus she said the football stadium looks like a bad high school venue. She raised $10M in a month or two to start renovations. There's a video of her driving a backhoe in digging the first dirt to start the renovation project. It wasn't all athletics, she just made MSU the place to be. It's always had outstanding academics, but a lot of people didn't know about it. She got people to know about it. A friend of mine's kid in Boise started getting academic recruiting letters when he was a sophomore in high school. He elected to go to a good private school in California, but he was very impressed with MSU's outreach. (He graduated with above a 4.00 GPA at Borah High School.) If he hadn't gone to California, MSU was definitely on his radar, while his parents' alma mater, the University of Idaho, barely lifted a finger and their scholarship offer was peanuts.

    Today, MSU sits at around 16K students; Montana around 9K and dropping. MSU is THE place to go to school in Montana (Runnin' Cat can help me here) and a lot of kids in Idaho think it's a good place, too.

    Humboldt State admins need to take a freaking field trip to Bozeman and find out how they did it ... and in turn, hire one of their admissions people and have them run the department. This isn't rocket science.

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  • tsull
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    Originally posted by crixus View Post
    I graduated from San Jose State in '85. So I guess that puts me in the Dark Ages as well. I like Humboldt State (my California bros) and hope they bring football back. But the longer they wait the harder it's going to be. Many colleges have dropped football over the years, but only a few have brought it back.

    In case you're wondering why I use an Alderson Broaddus avatar, my Mom went there. I have Battlers blood. :)
    It's tough to bring back football, the community should stand up for it. I find it interesting that those downtown pizza places, restaurants, etc., are willing to sacrifice most of their money in the fall for no football. Pretty amazing. In tiny Monmouth after a football game good luck in finding an open table at a restaurant.

    Their admin created this mess and left town, it's amazing. They'd solve part of their enrollment troubles by bringing football back. Sadly, that school has clue zero right now. I feel bad for their fans, alums, and the community.

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  • crixus
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    I graduated from San Jose State in '85. So I guess that puts me in the Dark Ages as well. I like Humboldt State (my California bros) and hope they bring football back. But the longer they wait the harder it's going to be. Many colleges have dropped football over the years, but only a few have brought it back.

    In case you're wondering why I use an Alderson Broaddus avatar, my Mom went there. I have Battlers blood. :)
    Last edited by crixus; 04-21-2020, 03:15 PM.

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  • tsull
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    Originally posted by Tech Boys View Post
    Thanks for the insight. I got the feeling that the post was not wrong but also leaning more towards not right either.

    And; easy with calling the 80s the dark ages, I started college in the early 80s.
    Ha, I started college at the same time!

    No evidence of the previous poster saying parents wanting to send their kids to city schools. A lot of parents in the Northwest want to send kids to rural schools, they think it's safer. A lot of holes in that poster's essay. It's all who is running it. If you hire an east coast scientist who doesn't care about Humboldt, the Northern California coast, Aracata/Eureka ... and only cares about her research, you'll die on the vine. That was the previous president. When they hired her and I saw her bio I thought, they're in trouble. If you hire a person who cares about the college, the local community, and growing and improving that college, you will get that. One can pinpoint college failures most often to administrative failure, not U.S. demographics.

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  • Tech Boys
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    Thanks for the insight. I got the feeling that the post was not wrong but also leaning more towards not right either.

    And; easy with calling the 80s the dark ages, I started college in the early 80s.

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  • tsull
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    Originally posted by Tech Boys View Post

    The following is a response to the article on another board. Interested to see what you guys with first-hand knowledge have to say about this quote.
    I come at Humboldt's problems from a different attitude based on experience. It will be the opposite of what was posted.

    When I was an undergrad back in the dark ages, the 80's, Oregon was going through a recession. When I started at Western Oregon, enrollment was at a healthy 3K. By the end of my sophomore year it had dipped to 2,000. There was talks of closing the school (founded in 1856) or turning it into a prison. WOU got rid of the president from New York City, a good guy/academic, who didn't really get the school; and hired a guy named Richard Meyer, the president of the largest junior college in America at the time, Pasadena College. They needed an enrollment guy.

    First thing Meyers did was shake hands with all the businessmen and women in town. He then hired a guy from the legislature to be an assistant to the president, a guy in Salem, who could work the politics in WOU's (then WOSC) favor. Step 3 was a big PR campaign throughout Oregon, billboards, commercials, etc. Step 4 was tons of visitations to high schools and community colleges. Within two years the enrollment was over 3K; within five years it was over 4K. He had doubled the enrollment in a short amount of time. Even the University of Oregon at the time went to the state and said, "You gotta slow these guys down."

    Some other things that were done was improve the grounds/landscaping of the college, make it look nicer; and Meyers also wanted to win in sports, which we did and it was a positive. Yes, WOU is in a better population location than Humboldt State.

    However, the state of California is much larger than Oregon and way larger than the California of the 80's and Oregon of the 80's. Let's get serious. There are thousands of high schools and dozens of community colleges in California from which to draw. They can recruit to both of those areas. Monmouth, Oregon, in the 80's was a dry town (not anymore) and some how Meyers made it seem cool!

    It's all whose running it. Frankly, give anyone on this message board a 6-figure salary and say go out and increase enrollment and they could probably do a better job than the admins at Humboldt State. Hit the JC down the road from Arcata, hit the Redding JC and all high schools there, College of the Siskiyous, southern Oregon towns, Bay Area JC's and high schools, find the kids looking for something different, and you'll get your enrollment up. Bring back football and that gets you 200 -- 100 players and 100 who want to watch football. Trust me, that's true, I looked at some small colleges that didn't have football, I didn't want to go -- and I ran cross country.

    Have a minimalist/downer attitude like the poster who said you can't get it done, you don't get it done. Hire a president like Richard Meyers and you'll get it done.

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  • Tech Boys
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    The following is a response to the article on another board. Interested to see what you guys with first-hand knowledge have to say about this quote.

    HSU's enrollment was falling even before they dropped football. The big problem is just how sparsely populated and isolated Humboldt County is from both Oregon and California. Chico State, Sonoma State and Southern Oregon -- the nearest schools -- are all 4 to 4½ hour drives, assuming you can go full speed over some very twisty coastal and mountain roads.

    Rural directional schools, which HSU is one of, have seen the fastest declining in enrollment (Midwestern states show that trend and it's creeping into parts of the South as well). Most Cal State campuses are in urban areas and are impacted due to the huge California urban population (over 35 million). For those urban schools, sports has essentially zero impact on enrollment, as students commute to their schools. Quite honestly sports only impacts Fresno State and San Diego State by improving their profile.

    Humboldt State football is simply a casualty of declining enrollment and worse declining quality of student (stronger students go residential schools -- parents see the rural decline and push them to the cities as well). It had become unsustainable, simply not enough money coming in, not enough interest.

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  • Wildcat Khan
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    Originally posted by tsull View Post
    The sportswriter is right, Humboldt needs football. It takes administrative courage to bring it back. Sadly, there's not a lot of courage out there. The head of the CSU system (who I heard approved of dumping football) and the short-term president who eliminated the program, and the A.D., who approved of it, are long gone, taking their 6-figure salaries/retirements with them, laughing all the way to the bank, and trashing Humboldt State out the door. Time for a new generation.
    It also makes you wonder about future of HSU as a whole with all the lockdowns in place and lost revenue at the state and local level too. Will an already underfunded school be able to survive?

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