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Yes, all large gatherings are a bad idea. Including church, or protesting to go to Great Clips to cut your mullet. However, plenty of states have also opened up more without coming close to meeting the suggested guidelines to do so. This, as you know, includes Texas. So between protesting for whatever it is you choose, an increase in testing, and more businesses opening up...we will obviously see an increase in cases. Some want to only blame BLM protests, some only want to blame whatever else. It's a combination of things leading to the spikes though. I'm actually hoping this is finally a post you can chill out and agree with rather than going off on some random rant because I posted it. Let's see...
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Originally posted by Turbonium View Post
Yes, all large gatherings are a bad idea. Including church, or protesting to go to Great Clips to cut your mullet. However, plenty of states have also opened up more without coming close to meeting the suggested guidelines to do so. This, as you know, includes Texas. So between protesting for whatever it is you choose, an increase in testing, and more businesses opening up...we will obviously see an increase in cases. Some want to only blame BLM protests, some only want to blame whatever else. It's a combination of things leading to the spikes though. I'm actually hoping this is finally a post you can chill out and agree with rather than going off on some random rant because I posted it. Let's see...
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Originally posted by ASUPops View Post
I have zero first hand knowledge of what happened there or what is happening there, so, I can not really give an educated response.
Minnesota erupted almost overnight. The news only focused on Minneapolis, and St. Paul (to a much lesser extent) - but almost every large town in Minnesota, many of the suburbs, and even quite a few smaller towns had their own protests. I live in a town of about 5,000 and we had a protest of 300-500 people, as an example. MDH had testing centers on site at the bigger protests and urged everyone involved to get a test. Those sites have long since closed down.
The conversation got twisted around as it went on - which is really my fault. The OP's original point is that the protestors were not wearing masks or socially distancing. My counter was, yes, they were wearing masks and distancing whenever possible - and that helped curb the spread of the virus. It really boiled down to my own opinion based on what I saw, but I'll include a source below that supports my argument. Being in a crowd is dangerous right now and can contribute to exponential spread, and I didn't mean to make it sound like I don't believe that.
What OP was doing was lumping the George Floyd protestors in with the haircut protestors, who largely weren't wearing masks - which is a strawman argument and didn't really hold up.
The latest spike in cases, which is pretty minimal, is largely attributed to the reopening of bars in Mankato (and Minneapolis to a lesser extent), and a lax in daily social distancing. For context, Mankato is one of the biggest college party towns in the country, and Rounder's and The 507 are at the heart of that scene. Great place to be during the day, but I wouldn't go there anytime after 5 or 6. It gets really dense.
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/0...-covid19-in-mn
Here are a couple sources about the protests - this is just from a quick google search, I tried not to find ones with large obvious political slants, although I'm sure someone will be there to tell me it's all "fake news."
https://ktoe.com/2020/06/22/mdh-15-t...been-positive/
https://www.chicagotribune.com/coron...3ji-story.html
Essentially, there are far too many variables at play. Did MDH test enough? Did they do adequate contract tracing? The big stat we've watched here is the hospitalization rate which has trended downwards, quite significantly, as has the death rate.
Also - I can't speak for Texas, or Georgia, or California. Since the original comment was referencing the protests, which were heaviest in Minnesota - I figured I could weigh in with what I know.
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Please elaborate by posting your sources. I'm not making fun of you, I'm generally curious to read the information that you have. I posted my sources in a previous post, now it's your turn.
We can agree that protesting, in whatever form, did increase the case count - it's the extent of which that we disagree on.
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Originally posted by SW_Mustang View Post
Please elaborate by posting your sources. I'm not making fun of you, I'm generally curious to read the information that you have. I posted my sources in a previous post, now it's your turn.
We can agree that protesting, in whatever form, did increase the case count - it's the extent of which that we disagree on.
Here you go brother. You can analyze the data from your state to all over the world. It appears there is no end in sight unless the vaccines do the trick. I also have data from the local and state sites if you would like. Also, since we do not know if the masks help or not your beliefs or what you think matters little to a disease. I apologize for my abruptness, I need to work on that.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0GQoWPLv09E
Here you go Pops. A medical doctor in your own backyard gives his expertise on how to treat COVID-19 patients. Dr ProcterLast edited by Techster88; 07-08-2020, 05:24 PM.
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Originally posted by Techster88 View Posthttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0GQoWPLv09E
Here you go Pops. A medical doctor in your own backyard gives his expertise on how to treat COVID-19 patients. Dr Procter
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Originally posted by Techster88 View Posthttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0GQoWPLv09E
Here you go Pops. A medical doctor in your own backyard gives his expertise on how to treat COVID-19 patients. Dr ProcterLast edited by ASUPops; 07-10-2020, 10:04 AM.
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Originally posted by Techster88 View Posthttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0GQoWPLv09E
Here you go Pops. A medical doctor in your own backyard gives his expertise on how to treat COVID-19 patients. Dr Procter
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Reading this forum it appears that some folks are so scared of the virus that they will never feel safe again.
So I'm curious?
Who, What, Where, When will ever make those folks feel as though they can ever come out of their bunker, rip that mask off and take a deep breath of air without having their lungs explode from all the nasty, little covids they suck in? From what we read, the covids are now airborne and can dive bomb us from the stratosphere. Is there safety anywhere?
So Who, What, Where,When will make those folks who have bought in to all the hype from the MSM and government ever feel that is sate to go outside without a mask or be closer than 6 ft from someone?
Will it be confidence in stats from those bastions of truth and honesty, the CDC and WHO? Will it be words of reassurance from little Dr. Fauci? How about a miracle vaccine? Wow, that's bound to make you feel safe. Be first in line for that one. Even with a vaccine, the CDC (if you belief their numbers) reported between 10/1/19-4/4/20, 39M-56M flu cases, 410k-740K hospitalizations and 24K-62K deaths in just the USA. So why be so confident that a vaccine will save the human race?
Seriously, have you thought about it? The nasty, little covids aren't simply going to disappear, at least until Nov. 3. (Sadly, if Hillary were president, we wouldn't even know this was happening. The MSM would make sure of that.) So is there anything that can be done or we we all just live in fear and wear hazmat suits the rest of our miserable lives?
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Originally posted by oldbuff View PostReading this forum it appears that some folks are so scared of the virus that they will never feel safe again.
So I'm curious?
Who, What, Where, When will ever make those folks feel as though they can ever come out of their bunker, rip that mask off and take a deep breath of air without having their lungs explode from all the nasty, little covids they suck in? From what we read, the covids are now airborne and can dive bomb us from the stratosphere. Is there safety anywhere?
So Who, What, Where,When will make those folks who have bought in to all the hype from the MSM and government ever feel that is sate to go outside without a mask or be closer than 6 ft from someone?
Will it be confidence in stats from those bastions of truth and honesty, the CDC and WHO? Will it be words of reassurance from little Dr. Fauci? How about a miracle vaccine? Wow, that's bound to make you feel safe. Be first in line for that one. Even with a vaccine, the CDC (if you belief their numbers) reported between 10/1/19-4/4/20, 39M-56M flu cases, 410k-740K hospitalizations and 24K-62K deaths in just the USA. So why be so confident that a vaccine will save the human race?
Seriously, have you thought about it? The nasty, little covids aren't simply going to disappear, at least until Nov. 3. (Sadly, if Hillary were president, we wouldn't even know this was happening. The MSM would make sure of that.) So is there anything that can be done or we we all just live in fear and wear hazmat suits the rest of our miserable lives?
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I am starting to believe that our times have the worst generation gap I have ever witnessed.
It appears modern times and technology have FAR surpassed our older generations like never before. And our younger generations have ZERO respect for older generations.
It is growing more and more obvious each day. No wonder our country is so divided. YIKES!!
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