Texas Wesleyan moving up to NCAA D2

[Buffalo/Islander Alum]

I 100% get why the LSC holds onto us the past few years, but we've always known this is a short term solution. CWU and WOU are gone second it makes sense to do so and that will be to the surprise of no one. If any of us northwest guys are surly, we're frustrated with the reality, but totally get that it's not the LSC's fault. Abilene, Commerce, Tarleton all broke up with the LSC and CWU and WOU are the rebound boyfriend until something better comes up. You could say that we're done with the LSC after the 2027 season and it won't shock me.

What I also think could happen is some sort of scheduling alliance between the LSC, Gulf South and CWU/WOU, but even then, it would make way more sense for LSC/GSC to do that and kick us to the curb.

This probably sums it up as accurate as you can.

I remember peeps making fun of the GNAC when they were playing their round robin and then the LSC had to do it 10 years ago trying to keep afloat for football.

It made sense for all parties involved to merge a few years ago and now also makes sense for another divorce only CW and WO dont end up with the house and kids.

As tsull said and I agree that I would be more frustrated at the several schools out west that dropped football.

I still want to live in a time where there was a full NCAC and GNAC football conference out west and the LSC still had ACU, ETAM, Tarleton, etc.

I guess in a weird way its frustrating WT didnt jump for the Southland when they could have but I think WT staying actually "saved" the LSC from further turmoil.

I honestly wish the best for CW and WO and hope they can find some sort of way to survive in the D2 independent world.

I caught a lot of heat (and would do it again) from calling out Matt Witwicki for his shots at Central Washington getting into the playoffs the year they lost to Montana Tech and then advocating for Western Oregon last year for making the playoffs over UTPB when in my mind they were more deserving beating them head to head.

[Buffalo/Islander Alum]

I understand what you’re saying, and I respect that perspective.

Just like we all jump on here and say, “We should throw it more,” or “We should’ve gone for it,” the reality is most of us aren’t on the sideline. We’re not in practice, we don’t see the injuries, depth issues, or game plan adjustments. So we can have opinions, but we’re not actually in position to make those calls.

It’s the same thing with conference talk or division discussions.

When people talk about FCS, D3, NAIA, or conference realignment, it’s not about telling another program what they should do. It’s just discussion — the same way fans analyze play-calling. None of us are in those boardrooms. We don’t see the full financials, long-term strategy, or institutional goals.

So when I talk about possibilities, it’s not directive — it’s conversation. Just fans thinking out loud about “what’s next,” like they always have in college football.

At the end of the day, we’re all just talking ball.

100% agree with this statement. At the end of the day we are mostly boomers bull$hitting on a relic message board predicting several things right or wrong.

[MooseLodge]

So it's a done deal that CWU and WOU are out?

I understand that travel is the biggest factor here. Why wouldn't CWU and WOU each toss the Lone Star Conference $1 million a year a piece, in the form of a subsidy, to make the LSC teams whole for having to travel to the NW? The LSC could distribute these funds for programs having to make the trip each year.

That might be a lot cheaper for CWU and WOU than anything else.

[Buffalo/Islander Alum]

So it's a done deal that CWU and WOU are out?

I understand that travel is the biggest factor here. Why wouldn't CWU and WOU each toss the Lone Star Conference $1 million a year a piece, in the form of a subsidy, to make the LSC teams whole for having to travel to the NW? The LSC could distribute these funds for programs having to make the trip each year.

That might be a lot cheaper for CWU and WOU than anything else.

I dont think there is an official word but it would make sense since Texarkana starts in the LSC next year in 2027.

Short term the LSC would need to find 3 non conference games until Texas Wesleyan starts in 2028.

Central Washington and Western Oregon could remain non conference options especially for the New Mexico schools and the RMAC schools.

[tsull]

I understand what you’re saying, and I respect that perspective.

Just like we all jump on here and say, “We should throw it more,” or “We should’ve gone for it,” the reality is most of us aren’t on the sideline. We’re not in practice, we don’t see the injuries, depth issues, or game plan adjustments. So we can have opinions, but we’re not actually in position to make those calls.

It’s the same thing with conference talk or division discussions.

When people talk about FCS, D3, NAIA, or conference realignment, it’s not about telling another program what they should do. It’s just discussion — the same way fans analyze play-calling. None of us are in those boardrooms. We don’t see the full financials, long-term strategy, or institutional goals.

So when I talk about possibilities, it’s not directive — it’s conversation. Just fans thinking out loud about “what’s next,” like they always have in college football.

At the end of the day, we’re all just talking ball.

I get that, but I've heard so much here that WOU and CWU are just going to cut football, why wouldn't we get defensive? We hear it from people who've not only not been to either campus, but really don't know what's going on at each school. Then I hear D3 when I've said multiple times on this board there's no league to play in for state schools in the Northwest. NAIA is the only option and it might not be a good one.

I'm of the theory of to always keep football on campus, if it means going independent, fine. Then I'm told if we go independent that's a death blow, might as well cut football. So it's not just taking ball, it's ripping the sh-t out of our program and our school when we're trying to keep things afloat. We don't say the LSC schools should cut football. I'll comment on their play, which I've seen nearly every team play. Like I said, I think the LSC is great; I don't blame them for getting out of the Northwest, Monmouth and Ellensburg aren't easy to get to.

But you can't expect CWU or WOU fans to just sit back and take it when multiple people say we're cutting football. I'll fight that.

[MooseLodge]

I get that, but I've heard so much here that WOU and CWU are just going to cut football, why wouldn't we get defensive? We hear it from people who've not only not been to either campus, but really don't know what's going on at each school. Then I hear D3 when I've said multiple times on this board there's no league to play in for state schools in the Northwest. NAIA is the only option and it might not be a good one.

I'm of the theory of to always keep football on campus, if it means going independent, fine. Then I'm told if we go independent that's a death blow, might as well cut football. So it's not just taking ball, it's ripping the sh-t out of our program and our school when we're trying to keep things afloat. We don't say the LSC schools should cut football. I'll comment on their play, which I've seen nearly every team play. Like I said, I think the LSC is great; I don't blame them for getting out of the Northwest, Monmouth and Ellensburg aren't easy to get to.

But you can't expect CWU or WOU fans to just sit back and take it when multiple people say we're cutting football. I'll fight that.

No one is telling WOU or CWU to cut football. You're fighting a windmill on that one. I was merely asking if it was a possibility in order for the two schools to otherwise have some geographic rivalries for the other sports they sponsor. Football aside, the West Coast Conference is pretty sweet.

[Goods]

No one is telling WOU or CWU to cut football. You're fighting a windmill on that one. I was merely asking if it was a possibility in order for the two schools to otherwise have some geographic rivalries for the other sports they sponsor. Football aside, the West Coast Conference is pretty sweet.

There'd be no reason to cut football to go to WCC, we would stay D2. The GNAC (CWU/WOU's league for everything else) is loaded with basketball talent for both women/men. Great respect in volleyball, T/F, cross country. Before NW Nazarene's run to the baseball national championship series last year, the league was led for many years by WOU.

It's a sucky situation that we have no choice but to man up and deal with it. I guarantee you that both CWU and WOU AD's have multiple contingency ideas for when the LSC dumps us. They will dump us and that's fine.

And MooseLodge , to your idea of CWU and WOU tossing in a milly apiece..............um, no.

[cwfenn]

I dont think there is an official word but it would make sense since Texarkana starts in the LSC next year in 2027.

Short term the LSC would need to find 3 non conference games until Texas Wesleyan starts in 2028.

Central Washington and Western Oregon could remain non conference options especially for the New Mexico schools and the RMAC schools.

Unless more realignment/consolidation comes, CWU and WOU may end making great travel partners with GLIAC and maybe even GSC schools.

[MooseLodge]

And MooseLodge , to your idea of CWU and WOU tossing in a milly apiece..............um, no.

Just out of principle, or it's a bad business idea? Doesn't seem all that unreasonable to me. You're in a conference that is Texas-centric, and all the Texas-centric schools are having to pay a tremendous tax (travel costs) to have CWU and WOU in the conference. Seems logical that CWU and WOU would help make them whole.

[JavsFan]

I 100% get why the LSC holds onto us the past few years, but we've always known this is a short term solution. CWU and WOU are gone second it makes sense to do so and that will be to the surprise of no one. If any of us northwest guys are surly, we're frustrated with the reality, but totally get that it's not the LSC's fault. Abilene, Commerce, Tarleton all broke up with the LSC and CWU and WOU are the rebound boyfriend until something better comes up. You could say that we're done with the LSC after the 2027 season and it won't shock me.

What I also think could happen is some sort of scheduling alliance between the LSC, Gulf South and CWU/WOU, but even then, it would make way more sense for LSC/GSC to do that and kick us to the curb.

By the same token, if there were to suddenly be a more beneficial conference alignment for CWU and WOU, they would take it and I don't think anyone would have a problem with it. It's not like anyone has too much money and can't find a way to spend it faster.

[JavsFan]

https://txwes.edu/news-and-events/al...a-division-ii/

A third LSC Beach Volleyball squad, along with TAMU-Texarkana. That's great news.

ASU, WT, UTT, UTD time to add bvb to your programs.

[Rambunctious1]

TWU's coach left to coach at Morehouse.

Good to hear from you Brandon!

[ASUPops]

100% agree with this statement. At the end of the day we are mostly boomers bull$hitting on a relic message board predicting several things right or wrong.

That's accurate.

[ASUPops]

TWU's coach left to coach at Morehouse.

Hey Brandon! Nice to see your name pop up on the LSC MB.

[Rambunctious1]

Looks like TWU won’t be competing in D2 until 2028-2029. Travel was one of their main considerations.