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[tsull]

There is going to some big canyons separating groups of programs that will go about like this:

The Top 10. Texas, Ohio State, Michigan, aTm, and a few others. And as long as you have a billionaire sugar daddy willing to spend, any program can be in the top 10. These will always be your playoff winners from now on, because they have the $$ to hoard the talent.

The Second 30. Mostly a number of flagship state universities that are still easily in the $150+ million athletic budget situation. Most of the Big 12, UNC, UVA, a number of Big 10 and SEC middling schools.

The Third 20. The private schools and other flagship state schools that are in the $100 million athletic budget situation. Arizona, Colorado, Kansas State, Houston.

The final 20. Higher level G5s that will still have a national audience. Oregon State, WSU, Memphis, Tulane, the service academies.

Below the final 20, there isn't going to be media money to worry about. You might as well just be Division 3.

This is spot on. WSU and OSU are scrambling to increase donations. I have connections to both schools and they ask me routinely. I'm not rich, besides, I donate to Western Oregon, they need the money more than OSU and WSU. A lot of schools think they can keep up, they can't. New Michigan coach Kyle Whittingham said TEN schools will be the ones who can do this at high D1 with $50M coming up just this year for football. That $20M alleged cap is a joke, everyone is going over it.

I predict in 10 years it will cost $100M for football alone, coaches will make $25M and every starter on big time schools will get $2M or more. About 10 years ago I said coaches will soon get $10M a year or more, I was laughed off one message board. Today there are several who make more than that. It's a joke.

[Buffalo/Islander Alum]

You personally know THOUSANDS of people that obtained full tennis scholarships AND those THOUSANDS became pharmacists, physicians, and attorneys?

🤔 hmm.

*Let me get my boots and shovel before you answer.*

First of all I added the "Etc." which should be understood that degrees with anything else (even a few liberal arts).

Lets see. I had played USTA tennis (equivalent to AAU basketball) tournaments since I was 9 years old all the way through college and played competitive tennis into my 20s. I coached different levels of tennis for 20 years after that as well (USTA, High school, club tennis). I have played with/against, coached, watched. etc. these same players and their kids do the same thing.

So yeah I can say under oath over a 40+ year span that I have seen over a thousand players I have been affiliated with personally go on to play college tennis and graduate with a degree.

90%+ of USA born college tennis players do not go on to play professional tennis and only a handful of those 10% that do crack the top 100 and play the main draw events.

Most of the USA pro tennis players go to tennis academies as juniors and then turn pro skipping college.

[MooseLodge]

This is spot on. WSU and OSU are scrambling to increase donations. I have connections to both schools and they ask me routinely. I'm not rich, besides, I donate to Western Oregon, they need the money more than OSU and WSU. A lot of schools think they can keep up, they can't. New Michigan coach Kyle Whittingham said TEN schools will be the ones who can do this at high D1 with $50M coming up just this year for football. That $20M alleged cap is a joke, everyone is going over it.

I predict in 10 years it will cost $100M for football alone, coaches will make $25M and every starter on big time schools will get $2M or more. About 10 years ago I said coaches will soon get $10M a year or more, I was laughed off one message board. Today there are several who make more than that. It's a joke.

Football already costs well over $100 million for the top 30-40 programs. For the top 10 programs, the payroll for player personnel alone is $50 million+ for the upcoming season. We will see $100 million player payrolls by the 2028 season.

[tsull]

Football already costs well over $100 million for the top 30-40 programs. For the top 10 programs, the payroll for player personnel alone is $50 million+ for the upcoming season. We will see $100 million player payrolls by the 2028 season.

Top colleges have more money than NFL teams, it's crazy. The worst thing is 90% of the colleges can't keep up, but think they can.

[MooseLodge]

Top colleges have more money than NFL teams, it's crazy. The worst thing is 90% of the colleges can't keep up, but think they can.

What's crazy is that all of this money is going to pay some ballers to wear a logo rather than higher education. Reprehensible.

[tsull]

What's crazy is that all of this money is going to pay some ballers to wear a logo rather than higher education. Reprehensible.

Also, the college presidents signing off on all of this. Amazing. I really want D2 to keep it's sanity, but it probably won't. There's always enough exceptions to the rule to make people grab onto fantasies. "We had an NFL player!" Which means everyone from said D2 school can make the NFL. "We had four guys go into the portal and sign D1!" Well, actually FCS, and they're not playing, but that's beside the point, I guess.

I hate the whole thing. D2, D3, NAIA, etc., needs to not join this circus, but I've rarely met a savvy college prez that looks out for the students.

[ASUPops]

First of all I added the "Etc." which should be understood that degrees with anything else (even a few liberal arts).

Lets see. I had played USTA tennis (equivalent to AAU basketball) tournaments since I was 9 years old all the way through college and played competitive tennis into my 20s. I coached different levels of tennis for 20 years after that as well (USTA, High school, club tennis). I have played with/against, coached, watched. etc. these same players and their kids do the same thing.

So yeah I can say under oath over a 40+ year span that I have seen over a thousand players I have been affiliated with personally go on to play college tennis and graduate with a degree.

90%+ of USA born college tennis players do not go on to play professional tennis and only a handful of those 10% that do crack the top 100 and play the main draw events.

Most of the USA pro tennis players go to tennis academies as juniors and then turn pro skipping college.

I call BS. I did the same in football for 50 years - played/coached)...where you have 35 players (at youth select) to 50-80+ players at school ball and I do not know THOUSANDS that got full ride scholarships.

in Texas 6A tennis you usually have 6 boys & 6 girls on the team (12-16 to carry a few extra). Let's say it's 16....and everyone of them got a full ride over the course of 40 years. That's 640. Even in this impossible scenario it is FAR from THOUSANDS.

[Buffalo/Islander Alum]

I call BS. I did the same in football for 50 years - played/coached)...where you have 35 players (at youth select) to 50-80+ players at school ball and I do not know THOUSANDS that got full ride scholarships.

in Texas 6A tennis you usually have 6 boys & 6 girls on the team (12-16 to carry a few extra). Let's say it's 16....and everyone of them got a full ride over the course of 40 years. That's 640. Even in this impossible scenario it is FAR from THOUSANDS.

Not everyone got full rides to be fair.

Like I said I wasnt limited to 4 years of high school tennis.

I played all over the country as a junior in USTA Tennis and even knew several people internationally that came back to the states on scholarship.

It's not hard to network in tennis being involved in USTA, High School, Private School, Tennis academies, coaching, etc. over a 40 year span.

Where I went to high school at Tascosa in Amarillo, We had the 5A state champion (Alex O'Brien) and he went on to be the #1 doubles player in the world in the 90s.

To end the pi$$ing contest, its not limited to Tennis.

Several other sports that student athletes play (Golf, Wrestling, beach volleyball, etc.) could also be at risk in the future.

[ASUPops]

Not everyone got full rides to be fair.

Like I said I wasnt limited to 4 years of high school tennis.

I played all over the country as a junior in USTA Tennis and even knew several people internationally that came back to the states on scholarship.

It's not hard to network in tennis being involved in USTA, High School, Private School, Tennis academies, coaching, etc. over a 40 year span.

Where I went to high school at Tascosa in Amarillo, We had the 5A state champion (Alex O'Brien) and he went on to be the #1 doubles player in the world in the 90s.

To end the pi$$ing contest, its not limited to Tennis.

Several other sports that student athletes play (Golf, Wrestling, beach volleyball, etc.) could also be at risk in the future.

Honestly.....it doesn't really matter to me. I just have to keep up my modus operandi and push someone's buttons. And there are limited opportunities in the off-season. You provided me an opportunity. Ha. 😉

*plus you are my FAVORITE person to harrass...you never take it personal. Could be a bromance happening here. 🥰

[Buffalo/Islander Alum]

Honestly.....it doesn't really matter to me. I just have to keep up my modus operandi and push someone's buttons. And there are limited opportunities in the off-season. You provided me an opportunity. Ha. 😉

*plus you are my FAVORITE person to harrass...you never take it personal. Could be a bromance happening here. 🥰

Oh I know which is why I play along.

Dont be playing the field here.

I saw you give MooseLodge the 🍆on another thread. LOL.

[ASUPops]

Oh I know which is why I play along.

Dont be playing the field here.

I saw you give MooseLodge the 🍆on another thread. LOL.

Hahaha.

"I am saving all my love for you" 😂