Should Jamestown be accepted into the NSIC?

[vikingfaithful]

To suggest it's anything near Minnesota is hilarious - I can tell you don't work in business haha.

Marshall's business community beats the breaks off of Brookings alone - and you know what I think about Marshall.

Sioux Falls is okay for a smaller town thanks to the banking and trust industries.

MrMustang was not comparing SD to MN, he was simply stating several cities were doing well in SD. You're an excellent poster on this forum, but at times can be hostile for no apparent reason. Not a single S. Dakotan made this a rock fight with the great state of Minnesota. If you to compare use WI. as MN has more in common with that state.

I like Marshall, it's been 37 years ago since I made sales calls there. I would ride with a fast peddling bicycle club in the evening and have a cold one afterwords, good memories. Give me the facts on the business advantage in Marshall over Brookings?

[SW_Mustang]

South Dakota is bottom of the barrel in the US when it comes to teacher pay. I should know, my mom taught there for 40 years. The beginning pay might be OK, but the top end in most districts doesn't come close to Minnesota. There's about 10 other points that I can make about Minnesota being better, but I'll save those for when we're trying to get this thread to 300 pages

well my Dad taught in Minnesota for 35 years and the pay was not great -- I will agree that if you are in a bigger school in the Metro you make solid money as a teacher but you have to buy a $400,000 starter house.

I cited facts -- good teacher pay that a new teacher got.[/QUOTE]

That's an anecdotal at best, not a "fact"

I wish SMSU did a better job teaching about that stuff - lot of people confuse the two.

[SW_Mustang]

Exactly and I thought politics were off limits on this board SW_Mustang, must be a troll, go Jimmies!

I never said they were off limits. I love openly punching down on the poor states.

[SW_Mustang]

to suggest that Sioux Falls, Watertown, Brookings, and the Black Hills are not absolutely booming is not true. You can go there and see the progress.

To suggest it's anything near Minnesota is hilarious - I can tell you don't work in business haha.

Marshall's business community beats the breaks off of Brookings alone - and you know what I think about Marshall.

Sioux Falls is okay for a smaller town thanks to the banking and trust industries.

[oldyellaHer69]

to suggest that Sioux Falls, Watertown, Brookings, and the Black Hills are not absolutely booming is not true. You can go there and see the progress.

Exactly and I thought politics were off limits on this board SW_Mustang, must be a troll, go Jimmies!

[MrMustang]

It's a pretty bad state for business too - they only have four businesses with a market cap over $1b. Combined it's around $13b. That's pretty bad.

Top four companies in MN have a market cap of around $600b.

Just not even close. It might explain why SoDak is so cheap (allegedly) though.

to suggest that Sioux Falls, Watertown, Brookings, and the Black Hills are not absolutely booming is not true. You can go there and see the progress.

[MrMustang]

Sioux Falls

man what a well run state and city espcially compared to Minnsota.

higher incomes and no state income tax and lower cost of living to boot.

I remember the whole well you can move to South Dakota from Minnesota and yeah there no state taxes, but you won't make nearly as much money. Well that is an outdated opinion.

I know a young women who got a teaching job in a small town in South Dakota. Only making $2000 less than a starting teacher in Marshall (and marshall pays pretty well) but no state income taxes and a house costs 50% what it costs in Marshall.- that's an ok trade off if you are willing to live in a small town as your money goes a long way

South Dakota is bottom of the barrel in the US when it comes to teacher pay. I should know, my mom taught there for 40 years. The beginning pay might be OK, but the top end in most districts doesn't come close to Minnesota. There's about 10 other points that I can make about Minnesota being better, but I'll save those for when we're trying to get this thread to 300 pages[/QUOTE]

well my Dad taught in Minnesota for 35 years and the pay was not great -- I will agree that if you are in a bigger school in the Metro you make solid money as a teacher but you have to buy a $400,000 starter house.

I cited facts -- good teacher pay that a new teacher got.

[laker]

I taught for seven years, there was no rule in place for those that entered when I did. I got out, people always said, oh, the kids drove you out. No, it was never the kids, you knew going in kids were going to be kids. It was the parents. When you call home to inform a parent that their kid was causing problems, and you get told that when they are in school, they are your f'ing problem..... Yeah.....

Making about the same, or maybe a little more, in the private sector as I would have if I had kept teaching, but better benefits. I walk in a 8:00 AM, and I walk out at 4:30, and that is my day. No answering phone calls or emails from parents after hours. Do I miss the summers? Yeah. But with my daughter heading off to college, and my son going to Canada to play hockey (and going with him during his association hockey), it is definitely easier now to take time off in the winter than it would have been if I was still teaching.

I loved teaching and coaching. As you said, the hardest part was the parents. If you got backing from the parents and the administration, it was fun. If you just got backing from the administration, you could get by. If you lacked the backing of the parents and the administration, you were screwed. I was lucky for most of my career that the administrators had backbone. After I retired and was subbing, if someone acted up I told them that I really didn't need the money and that I wasn't going to take any crap from a punk. That usually took care of things.

[Millsy]

Thank goodness for the Rule of 90- I was able to take advantage of that. They also had a one time offer for Rule of 85. The guy across the hall wanted to teach about two more years- the principal basically told him he would be an idiot since it would be a one time offer and he would have to teach for years before being eligible. He wisely listened to him.

I taught for seven years, there was no rule in place for those that entered when I did. I got out, people always said, oh, the kids drove you out. No, it was never the kids, you knew going in kids were going to be kids. It was the parents. When you call home to inform a parent that their kid was causing problems, and you get told that when they are in school, they are your f'ing problem..... Yeah.....

Making about the same, or maybe a little more, in the private sector as I would have if I had kept teaching, but better benefits. I walk in a 8:00 AM, and I walk out at 4:30, and that is my day. No answering phone calls or emails from parents after hours. Do I miss the summers? Yeah. But with my daughter heading off to college, and my son going to Canada to play hockey (and going with him during his association hockey), it is definitely easier now to take time off in the winter than it would have been if I was still teaching.

[laker]

Minnesota also used to be known as a "teacher friendly" State (Solid TRA, Rule of 90, etc). Not so sure if that is true anymore (or for that matter, anywhere in the US......)

Thank goodness for the Rule of 90- I was able to take advantage of that. They also had a one time offer for Rule of 85. The guy across the hall wanted to teach about two more years- the principal basically told him he would be an idiot since it would be a one time offer and he would have to teach for years before being eligible. He wisely listened to him.

[Millsy]

I coached with and against about a dozen coaches who started teaching in SD and then came to Minnesota because the money was much better. On the other side, MN taxes are also much higher.

Minnesota also used to be known as a "teacher friendly" State (Solid TRA, Rule of 90, etc). Not so sure if that is true anymore (or for that matter, anywhere in the US......)

[SW_Mustang]

I coached with and against about a dozen coaches who started teaching in SD and then came to Minnesota because the money was much better. On the other side, MN taxes are also much higher.

It's different for everyone, but given how low incomes are in SoDak and how high the sales/property taxes are - it might be a wash for many.

About the only thing I miss was the socialized public utilities. I can see why people hate Xcel so much lol.

[SW_Mustang]

Don’t forget about the beautiful learing centers and free tampons in boys bathrooms!

I'd still trust the Learing Center over the best schools in South Dakota - free tampons is just a perk for Kristi Noem's husband. A real South Dakota man.

[laker]

South Dakota is bottom of the barrel in the US when it comes to teacher pay. I should know, my mom taught there for 40 years. The beginning pay might be OK, but the top end in most districts doesn't come close to Minnesota. There's about 10 other points that I can make about Minnesota being better, but I'll save those for when we're trying to get this thread to 300 pages

I coached with and against about a dozen coaches who started teaching in SD and then came to Minnesota because the money was much better. On the other side, MN taxes are also much higher.

[oldyellaHer69]

It's a pretty bad state for business too - they only have four businesses with a market cap over $1b. Combined it's around $13b. That's pretty bad.

Top four companies in MN have a market cap of around $600b.

Just not even close. It might explain why SoDak is so cheap (allegedly) though.

Don’t forget about the beautiful learing centers and free tampons in boys bathrooms!