Should Jamestown be accepted into the NSIC?

[zimmy21]

I continue to be less bothered we let Jamestown in as compared to not kicking St Cloud out. Jamestown is better run and less embarrassing that St. Cloud

Are they better run? Not sure about that.

Of course you are happy that Jamestown is in the league, without them the Mustangs were winless last year.

[zimmy21]

In a perfect world we'd kick St. Cloud (and Crookston) out - and not let Jamestown in.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Nailed it!! I'd be just as happy as a 13 team league without any of them. Matter of fact cut another to make it 12 and we can go back to silo lol

[SW_Mustang]

I continue to be less bothered we let Jamestown in as compared to not kicking St Cloud out. Jamestown is better run and less embarrassing that St. Cloud

In a perfect world we'd kick St. Cloud (and Crookston) out - and not let Jamestown in.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

[MrMustang]

You've been right all along Zimmy about the grifter Jimmies. Sooner or later, having played them will ruin some teams SOS just enough to miss a playoff game or home field advantage, that gets awarded to a MIAA, GLIAC Etc member. Their non-competitiveness will hurt the NSIC. Congratulations league decision makers, you got your 16th team.

less oofensive than St. Cloud that dropped football and instead added mens soccer

[MrMustang]

Which leads again to, there was no need to bring them in. Their struggles to find a home for conference play is not the struggles of the NSIC members. We threw out a life vest for them when we should have allowed them to sink.

I continue to be less bothered we let Jamestown in as compared to not kicking St Cloud out. Jamestown is better run and less embarrassing that St. Cloud

[MrMustang]

School	Location	Enrollment	Micropolitan Population	Median Household Income	Average Household Income	Poverty Rate Percentage
Augustana	Sioux Falls, SD	2584	310,000	82,509.00	104,118.00	6.1
Bemidji State	Bemidji, MN	5300	47,055	68,975.00	71,996.00	16.1
Concordia-St.Paul	St. Paul, MN	5928	3,790,000	132,400.00	138,480.00	15.6
U Jamestown	Jamestown, ND	1376	21,414	61,856.00	79,926.00	11.4
U Mary	Bismarck, ND	4000	139,750	86,769.00	103,500.00	7.8
UM-Crookston	Crookston, MN	2600	30,500	73,107.00	90,262.00	15.6
UM-Duluth	Duluth, MN	9529	281,219	71,769.00	89,000.00	12.7
MSU-Mankato	Mankato, MN	15271	105,200	75,808.00	98,130.00	13.2
MSU-Moorhead	Moorhead, MN	4300	269,528	76,756.00	91,695.00	11.6
Minot State	Minot, ND	2627	75,694	78,200.00	97,384.00	8.7
Northern State	Aberdeen, SD	3739	41,925	71,488.00	83,537.00	11.6
U Sioux Falls	Sioux Falls, SD	1624	310,000	82,509.00	104,118.00	6.1
Southwest MN State	Marshall, MN	3065	25,684	75,303.00	90,694.00	12.2
St. Cloud State	St. Cloud, MN	9646	205,800	75,688.00	83,607.00	12.2
Wayne State	Wayne, NE	4623	36,000	66,215.00	68,427.00	12.5
Winona State	Winona, MN	6170	49,671	70,744.00	86,789.00	14.8

I used Micropolitan/Metropolitan population since that is what the government and businesses look at for market populations. St. Paul gets skewed as it is lumped in with the Twin Cities Metro, Moorhead gets skewed as it gets lumped in with Fargo. The poverty rates are for the micropolitan/metropolitan areas, but in a lot of cases, if you stuck with just the city limits, the percentage went up (ie, Bemidji, St. Paul and St. Cloud were all over 20 percent within the city, but the outer parts of the market brought those down).

Median Population Income is per household. I probably should have added a column for Average Household Income, maybe later. (EDIT: ADDED NOW)

Slow day at work....

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Sioux Falls

man what a well run state and city espcially compared to Minnsota.

higher incomes and no state income tax and lower cost of living to boot.

I remember the whole well you can move to South Dakota from Minnesota and yeah there no state taxes, but you won't make nearly as much money. Well that is an outdated opinion.

I know a young women who got a teaching job in a small town in South Dakota. Only making $2000 less than a starting teacher in Marshall (and marshall pays pretty well) but no state income taxes and a house costs 50% what it costs in Marshall.- that's an ok trade off if you are willing to live in a small town as your money goes a long way

[MrMustang]

School	Location	Enrollment	Micropolitan Population	Median Household Income	Average Household Income	Poverty Rate Percentage
Augustana	Sioux Falls, SD	2584	310,000	82,509.00	104,118.00	6.1
Bemidji State	Bemidji, MN	5300	47,055	68,975.00	71,996.00	16.1
Concordia-St.Paul	St. Paul, MN	5928	3,790,000	132,400.00	138,480.00	15.6
U Jamestown	Jamestown, ND	1376	21,414	61,856.00	79,926.00	11.4
U Mary	Bismarck, ND	4000	139,750	86,769.00	103,500.00	7.8
UM-Crookston	Crookston, MN	2600	30,500	73,107.00	90,262.00	15.6
UM-Duluth	Duluth, MN	9529	281,219	71,769.00	89,000.00	12.7
MSU-Mankato	Mankato, MN	15271	105,200	75,808.00	98,130.00	13.2
MSU-Moorhead	Moorhead, MN	4300	269,528	76,756.00	91,695.00	11.6
Minot State	Minot, ND	2627	75,694	78,200.00	97,384.00	8.7
Northern State	Aberdeen, SD	3739	41,925	71,488.00	83,537.00	11.6
U Sioux Falls	Sioux Falls, SD	1624	310,000	82,509.00	104,118.00	6.1
Southwest MN State	Marshall, MN	3065	25,684	75,303.00	90,694.00	12.2
St. Cloud State	St. Cloud, MN	9646	205,800	75,688.00	83,607.00	12.2
Wayne State	Wayne, NE	4623	36,000	66,215.00	68,427.00	12.5
Winona State	Winona, MN	6170	49,671	70,744.00	86,789.00	14.8

I used Micropolitan/Metropolitan population since that is what the government and businesses look at for market populations. St. Paul gets skewed as it is lumped in with the Twin Cities Metro, Moorhead gets skewed as it gets lumped in with Fargo. The poverty rates are for the micropolitan/metropolitan areas, but in a lot of cases, if you stuck with just the city limits, the percentage went up (ie, Bemidji, St. Paul and St. Cloud were all over 20 percent within the city, but the outer parts of the market brought those down).

Median Population Income is per household. I probably should have added a column for Average Household Income, maybe later. (EDIT: ADDED NOW)

Slow day at work....

this is intersting stuff. thanks for posting

[SW_Mustang]

You're a TROLL oldyellar. Doubt you have ever stepped foot on UJ campus. Also, this is a no politics forum.

It's been pretty well established haha.

NSIC is a formidable conference - though I don't think they are as dominant as they once were in football. But that happens sometimes.

[njmav1]

Since UMD 2010 NC as NSIC member. MSU went to the semifinals i FB. MSU and AU have NC in MBB. Add a NC WBB for the Mavs. AU Baseball, SB. CSP 9 in VB. SCSU 5 in Wrestling, WSU twice in MBB All except WSU are 2010 or later. I'm sure I missed some.

NSIC is better than it advertises itself IMO.

You're a TROLL oldyellar. Doubt you have ever stepped foot on UJ campus. Also, this is a no politics forum.

MSU football has been to finals twice. MSU baseball once. And MSU softball has a natty. Womens track has an indoor natty. The conference has a lot of individual national champions as well.

[zimmy21]

Since UMD 2010 NC as NSIC member. MSU went to the semifinals in FB. MSU and AU have NC in MBB. Add a NC WBB for the Mavs. AU Baseball, SB. CSP 9 in VB. SCSU 5 in Wrestling, WSU twice in MBB All except WSU are 2010 or later. I'm sure I missed some.

NSIC is better than it advertises itself IMO.

You're a TROLL oldyellar. Doubt you have ever stepped foot on UJ campus. Also, this is a no politics forum.

MSU has been to the Football Championship Game twice, Semi-finals I believe 4 times. MSU Softball won a championship. MSU Women's Indoor Track and Field won a championship. MSU Soccer and baseball have been in the Championship games as well. Not to mention the 2 Hockey Semi-finals, and 1 Championship game appearance (Doesn't matter to NSIC).

Just to add to the stuff you missed for us.

[vikingfaithful]

Or maybe the NSIC isn’t the powerhouse that it advertises itself as. The league certainly isn’t the MIAA or GLIAC. Haven’t won a football title since a Duluth pulled it off transitioning from being in the NCC with an athletic director serving as a head football coach.

Since UMD 2010 NC as NSIC member. MSU went to the semifinals i FB. MSU and AU have NC in MBB. Add a NC WBB for the Mavs. AU Baseball, SB. CSP 9 in VB. SCSU 5 in Wrestling, WSU twice in MBB All except WSU are 2010 or later. I'm sure I missed some.

NSIC is better than it advertises itself IMO.

You're a TROLL oldyellar. Doubt you have ever stepped foot on UJ campus. Also, this is a no politics forum.

[zimmy21]

I’d think it would be easier when you’re playing scrubs and getting easy wins. Same model as the NCC when the current NSIC members were scrubs in that league.

Scrubs so bad they joined a new league and won it immediately? Let's work that logic out.

[oldyellaHer69]

Pretty tough to be a powerhouse when they allow scrubs like Jamestown to join.

I’d think it would be easier when you’re playing scrubs and getting easy wins. Same model as the NCC when the current NSIC members were scrubs in that league.

[zimmy21]

Or maybe the NSIC isn’t the powerhouse that it advertises itself as. The league certainly isn’t the MIAA or GLIAC. Haven’t won a football title since a Duluth pulled it off transitioning from being in the NCC with an athletic director serving as a head football coach.

Pretty tough to be a powerhouse when they allow scrubs like Jamestown to join.

[oldyellaHer69]

This isn't an Upper Iowa situation where they had GLVC to fall back on. In order to get a GLVC-like conference for Jamestown to move to, more schools need to join Division II, not leave. And they need to join a current conference. I guess it's possible that for example Frontier Conference schools in the Dakotas could latch onto the GNAC during a transition instead of the NSIC, but otherwise there really is nowhere else to turn.

Or maybe the NSIC isn’t the powerhouse that it advertises itself as. The league certainly isn’t the MIAA or GLIAC. Haven’t won a football title since a Duluth pulled it off transitioning from being in the NCC with an athletic director serving as a head football coach.