Should Jamestown be accepted into the NSIC?

[Purple Mav Man]

Within the current NSIC footprint, what cities are there that do not have a program D2 or above that could add one? Keep in mind that MIAC and WIAC additions are damn near sure locks to not happen. I won't touch on Iowa since I don't know as much about their schools beyond a couple. Plus, they're no longer in the footprint ha.

MINNESOTA
I think the only school that I could realistically make an attempt like this is University of Northwestern St. Paul. I see them not too differently from Jamestown, but situated in a bigger market.

NORTH DAKOTA
Dickinson State is a public school in a bigger town than Jamestown, but a comparable drive to Minot and probably comparable program (outside footprint in terms of being west of Bismarck, but same drive town from Fargo as Minot is)

SOUTH DAKOTA
You're probably looking at just Dakota State University. Madison is comparable to Jamestown, but it's a public university which apparently is now a requirement for entrance if you're in a town of 15k.

You dramatize things like a middle school girl. It’s embarrassing.

You have been preaching the fact that Jamestown has so much in common with the other schools. Then when pointed out they don’t, have to resort to some snarky nonsense that you manufacture. Nobody has said that but you.

[Purple Mav Man]

I don’t know what point of view; brings you to NOT needing to add now. I get many like the OOC game. I will 100% say that almost all the ADs in the conference want to get to an even number to alleviate the scheduling nightmare of trying to schedule out of conference games. No one wants to end up like Bemidji this year. I think if the conference had a recent history of playing out of conference games—there wouldn’t be a rush. But since that is what this group of current administrators know—that is where they want to get.
I do not have a horse in the race—just talkin based on my football experiences and a little knowledge. “a little knowledge is a dangerous thing”

I completely get that. Unfortunately the easy way is to take a school simply to make an even number. And, most people don’t want to make their jobs harder.

It’s just very difficult to envision Jamestown as a stable member.

[zimmy21]

I don’t know what point of view; brings you to NOT needing to add now. I get many like the OOC game. I will 100% say that almost all the ADs in the conference want to get to an even number to alleviate the scheduling nightmare of trying to schedule out of conference games. No one wants to end up like Bemidji this year. I think if the conference had a recent history of playing out of conference games—there wouldn’t be a rush. But since that is what this group of current administrators know—that is where they want to get.
I do not have a horse in the race—just talkin based on my football experiences and a little knowledge. “a little knowledge is a dangerous thing”

We already have enough for a full conference silo schedule. It's just not as clean as a 16 football playing school conference is. That's not going to happen anymore. We have 13 playing members with only 11 weeks. I'd much rather see a team leave the NSIC, than add Jamestown. That makes life even more simple for football, you see every team every year.
Basketball works out fine too, home and home for all conference games. 26 total. We are already play 22, MSU to fill in the Non-con schedule is playing St. Cloud as a non-con, then Bethany Lutheran (d3), Waldorf (NAIA, and Dakota State (NAIA) on top of the 2 MIAA/NSIC Challenge games.

[Thunder]

I feel like we have not covered any new ground on this topic in months. Heck, many people said early in this process a year ago that Jamestown was the most likely option and probably the best available school IF the NSIC leadership decided it needed to get to an even number of teams. Jamestown needs the NSIC more than the NSIC needs Jamestown, but the scheduling ease is probably too enticing for a majority of the conference. Since this seems inevitable here is my proposal. Most of the dissent appears centered around football so we just have travel partners like always in other sports and most people won't really care. Jamestown will be as competitive as Mary and Minot there.

For football the Jimmies give the NSIC 14 schools so the NSIC conference schedule can be 9 games in weeks 3-11. Leave the first 2 weeks open for nonconference games. Some schools can schedule NAIA or D3 or FCS opponents. Some schools can schedule other NSIC schools for a noncon game if they choose. Some schools will have the option to get quality noncon opponents. I'd prefer to not have divisions as well.

[Purple Mav Man]

I feel like we have not covered any new ground on this topic in months. Heck, many people said early in this process a year ago that Jamestown was the most likely option and probably the best available school IF the NSIC leadership decided it needed to get to an even number of teams. Jamestown needs the NSIC more than the NSIC needs Jamestown, but the scheduling ease is probably too enticing for a majority of the conference. Since this seems inevitable here is my proposal. Most of the dissent appears centered around non-football sports so we just have travel partners like always in those sports and most people won't really care. Jamestown will be as competitive as Mary and Minot there.

For football the Jimmies give the NSIC 14 schools so the NSIC conference schedule can be 9 games in weeks 3-11. Leave the first 2 weeks open for nonconference games. Some schools can schedule NAIA or D3 or FCS opponents. Some schools can schedule other NSIC schools for a noncon game if they choose. Some schools will have the option to get quality noncon opponents. I'd prefer to not have divisions as well.

This proposal is great, but doesn’t require an addition.

[Thunder]

This proposal is great, but doesn’t require an addition.

It does actually. You can't have everybody playing conference games every week in 3-11 with an odd number of teams. That is the whole reason for any of this conversation. That is why I'd offer 2 noncon games instead of just 1 week. It give the Mavs or anyone else the chance to schedule some power teams to offset having to play the Jimmies every other year or so.

[Purple Mav Man]

My bad, with 9 conference games, it would require an even number.

However, what part of adding Jamestown just to make an even number would suggest they’d keep the OOC games? Taking Jamestown to make an even number is the desire to get back to the silo scheduling.

I think we’ve all complained about silo scheduling, and now many people are fighting to get back to it (different conversation).

[Thunder]

My bad, with 9 conference games, it would require an even number.

However, what part of adding Jamestown just to make an even number would suggest they’d keep the OOC games? Taking Jamestown to make an even number is the desire to get back to the silo scheduling.

I think we’ve all complained about silo scheduling, and now many people are fighting to get back to it (different conversation).

It doesn't matter how many conference games you have. If you have an odd number of teams, someone will be without a conference game every week. I also believe if the NSIC adds Jamestown they would like to go back to the silo. That is the reason for my compromise to still have nonconference games, even adding a second. The hope is that compromise would appease those that want to schedule tougher opponents, while also making scheduling easier overall. It is much easier to schedule noncon games in weeks 1 and 2 than say week 6 or week 11 for example. It also gives the flexibility to schedule NAIA or even other NSIC teams for noncon games for those that so choose.

[Purple Mav Man]

It doesn't matter how many conference games you have. If you have an odd number of teams, someone will be without a conference game every week. I also believe if the NSIC adds Jamestown they would like to go back to the silo. That is the reason for my compromise to still have nonconference games, even adding a second. The hope is that compromise would appease those that want to schedule tougher opponents, while also making scheduling easier overall. It is much easier to schedule noncon games in weeks 1 and 2 than say week 6 or week 11 for example. It also gives the flexibility to schedule NAIA or even other NSIC teams for noncon games for those that so choose.

That’s me being way too tired this morning and not paying enough attention! Haha. They can still have the same amount of conference games, but as you mention and I completely spaced, is that they’d play them all the same weeks. Yes, that certainly requires an even number.

Agree it’s easier to schedule non-conference games in early weeks, for sure. They somehow patched it together last minute this year, I’d assume that exercise would make it easier going forward. Assuming they learned from it anyway…

Jamestown’s ambition will ultimately get them admitted. Clearly the NSIC wants the ease of an even number and Jamestown showed interest first. That’s all it takes.

[zimmy21]

Jamestown’s ambition will ultimately get them admitted. Clearly the NSIC wants the ease of an even number and Jamestown showed interest first. That’s all it takes.

That said...the question you posed for this thread is "Should" they be invited? And that wanswer is still NO.

[Purple Mav Man]

That said...the question you posed for this thread is "Should" they be invited? And that wanswer is still NO.

I wonder how many other comparisons to Upper Iowa there are? That was the easy thing to do early on. Both small private schools. Both athlete heavy enrollment. Both were making the move up to D2. Both have average to better than average facilities for the NSIC. Both invested money and had great university support.

Now UIU has left. Based on the transition that Jamestown will be required to make and the likely reduction in enrollment due to it, the next question might become: Who replaces Jamestown?

[zimmy21]

I wonder how many other comparisons to Upper Iowa there are? That was the easy thing to do early on. Both small private schools. Both athlete heavy enrollment. Both were making the move up to D2. Both have average to better than average facilities for the NSIC. Both invested money and had great university support.

Now UIU has left. Based on the transition that Jamestown will be required to make and the likely reduction in enrollment due to it, the next question might become: Who replaces Jamestown?

Probably the schools we should have added other than Jamestown

[Purple Mav Man]

Probably the schools we should have added other than Jamestown

So nobody? :)

I’m not at all saying Jamestown will fold or leave, just making the next comparison. And it will also be their 3rd conference in 5-6 years? Oh well, a couple of weeks and we’ll be seeing the official release welcoming them aboard.

[oldyellaHer69]

So nobody? :)

I’m not at all saying Jamestown will fold or leave, just making the next comparison. And it will also be their 3rd conference in 5-6 years? Oh well, a couple of weeks and we’ll be seeing the official release welcoming them aboard.

Strategic plan for the NSIC

[Stanger86]

A few pages back, someone posted about the number of sports at Crookston...I'm fairly new to following the NSIC this closely, but why would the conference not give them the boot? I agree that SCSU should probably go too, without football, but that decision was allowed for whatever reason. Why keep Crookston hanging around? They could go be with Morris in their league

I was doing some digging in the bylaws...UMC has the bare minimum of required sports at 11.

1.2.2 A member of the NSIC shall: (Adopted: 12/5/19)
1.2.2.1 Sponsor a minimum of 10 conference championship sports at the Division II level, including football; or (Adopted: 12/5/19)
1.2.2.2 Sponsor a minimum of 11 conference championship sports at the Division II level, not including football. (Adopted: 12/5/19)

1.2.2.3 NCAA Division I, NCAA Division II sports the conference does not sponsor at the championship level, NCAA Division III, NCAA Association-Wide sports and any club sports may not count towards NSIC sport sponsorship requirements. (Adopted: 12/5/19)

1.2.2.4 Waiver Process. The NSIC Board of Directors, by a two-thirds vote, may grant waivers of the Conference’s minimum sport sponsorship requirement in accordance with the procedure listed below: (Adopted: 12/5/19)
1.2.2.4.1 The institution shall submit its waiver of the conference’s minimum conference championship sport requirement, signed by the institution’s president or chancellor, to the NSIC Commissioner and Board Chair. The request shall include, but not be limited to the following pertinent information prior to consideration: (Adopted: 12/5/19)
1.2.2.4.1.1 A statement of the relief being requested, citing specific dates and other applicable case facts; (Adopted: 12/5/19)
1.2.2.4.1.2 An in-depth explanation relating to why the waiver is being filed. The institution should be as specific 25 as possible through this explanation; and (Adopted: 12/5/19)
1.2.2.4.1.3 A detailed plan outlining the institution’s long-term commitment to the NSIC and NCAA Division II. (Adopted: 12/5/19)

1.2.2.4.2 The waiver request, and its accompanying materials, will be presented to the Board of Directors. The Board member from the requesting institution is permitted to address the Board during the presentation of the case and answer questions asked, but they must recuse themselves from the discussion and subsequent voting of the waiver decision. (Adopted: 12/5/19)
1.2.2.4.3 The Board of Directors will reach a decision based on a twothirds majority vote. If the Board of Directors votes to reject the institution’s request, the institution shall be ineligible for conference championships and any conference championship tournament where an NCAA automatic qualifier is awarded, until such time as they meet sport sponsorship as identified in Operational Standard 1.2.2.1 or 1.2.2.2. The Board of Directors decision is final. (Adopted: 12/5/19)