Should Jamestown be accepted into the NSIC?

[zimmy21]

And... what?

Do the Bison care why people tuned in, or do they care that they were seen by a peak 5.2 million?

I also already acknowledged your points - see the bottom of my post.

It's interesting - but the fundamentals of branding aren't as difficult as the thread makes them out to be.

You recognized it by talking over it like a hyped up team for months with 2 guys on the Heisman watch lot and a hall of fame dad/coach weren't going to draw a bunch of eyes...be real

[SW_Mustang]

You recognized it by talking over it like a hyped up team for months with 2 guys on the Heisman watch lot and a hall of fame dad/coach weren't going to draw a bunch of eyes...be real

Did you want a doctoral thesis on it instead?

Let's cut out all the fluff and I'll ask you point blank - does NDSU have a brand that they want to expand nationally, yes or no?

If no, why not (and provide examples)? If yes, what is the best way to do that?

Did they not get any benefit whatsoever being on TV against Colorado? If they didn't, why are there local news articles talking about TV numbers?

I don't know why it's such a disagreeable position that NDSU wants to build and push a brand, especially coming from someone so adamant that MSU do the same. For people upset on my position about FCS football, isn't this what you should want? For FCS teams to have as many eyes on them as possible, regardless of means?

Can't believe I'm actually defending NDSU but business is paramount over sports affiliations.

[Purple Mav Man]

Yeah, you're right. NDSU definitely doesn't care about getting attention any way they can. Silly me for questioning you.

You didn’t question me. You lectured us.
I agree that NDSU (like nearly all schools) loves attention. But your initial point was they were trying to build a brand by winning FBS game and not on their 10 national titles. I haven’t seen many shirts, etc printed with the win over Kansas State. But damn near every Bison fan will tell you about their championships. I also doubt anyone outside of NDSU’s fanbase cares that they beat Kansas State (except for KSU fans of course. Haha)

Of course they want to build a brand. Every business does. Not disagreeing with you on that, just the means.

I think it’s common knowledge that NDSU would prefer to be FBS. So if that is what you mean by “winning FBS games”, then sure.

[Purple Mav Man]

Man - you're my favorite poster to go back and forth with. But you could have just said "2" lol

I could have 🙂
But you also asked me this:
Okay - answer me this. You think it's absolutely incomprehensible that I want DI to have one trophy like literally every other sport in every other facet of society. But then you scoffed at my obviously sarcastic comment to add an additional fourteen trophies to DI football. Where is your line on how many are acceptable and how many aren't, and why?

So I didn’t want to avoid the question. I don’t like avoiding questions. An example was provided on how not literally every other sport in the history of society has one trophy. I also now realize I failed to answer how many aren’t acceptable - I don’t have an answer, 2 seems fine. Thankfully, that’s not my call! Ha.

I also don’t think it’s incomprehensible that you think that. It’s more so that I think (IMO of course) that it’s silly to just dismiss what FCS teams have accomplished simply because you don’t care for that level.

[Purple Mav Man]

I need to hop off for the night - I enjoy going back and forth with you, so don't take our discussions personally regardless of how animated we both get (I don't think you are - but just so you know where I'm at).

Either NDSU benefits from being in front of a peak 5.2, or they don't. I made the claim that it's beneficial for them regardless of the circumstances - and you said I was picked apart. Now you're saying it was beneficial for them. I genuinely don't understand - is it, or isn't it? Why or why not?

I'm quickly learning that it doesn't make me a lot of fun at parties - but I see college sports through a business lens. Part of it is what I do for a living, part of it is my Marketing degree - but it's how I see the world. I winced a bit when the SMSU logo appeared in an unflattering YouTube video with close to 2 million views a couple weeks ago.

I don't have to speak for NDSU to know they like money. They want more people to know who they are, and to do that - they need to be in front of as many people as they can, as often as they can. I can say that because it's how every school operates... like... for example... Jamestown joining the NSIC. Good night everybody!

I may have misinterpreted what you said/meant. Which seems to happen a lot when the goalposts move.

[Stanger86]

Well this has been fun....

[njmav1]

Well this has been fun....

Of course. It's the Jamestown thread.

[Stanger86]

Of course. It's the Jamestown thread.

It's truly a box of chocolates! Only thing missing is a glass of chocolate milk....

[SW_Mustang]

You didn’t question me. You lectured us.
I agree that NDSU (like nearly all schools) loves attention. But your initial point was they were trying to build a brand by winning FBS game and not on their 10 national titles. I haven’t seen many shirts, etc printed with the win over Kansas State. But damn near every Bison fan will tell you about their championships. Ialso doubt anyone outside of NDSU’s fanbase cares that theybeat Kansas State (except for KSU fans of course. Haha)

Of course they want to build a brand. Every business does. Not disagreeing with you on that, just the means.

I think it’s common knowledge that NDSU would prefer to be FBS. So if that is what you mean by “winning FBS games”, then sure.

I didn't lecture anyone. I posted a statement and defended it with the evidence I had. I don't want any of you to agree with me for the sake of agreeing with me.

It's okay if you don't believe that national TV exposure in front of 5.6 million people doesn't have the same effect as winning an FCS title. It's okay that I believe it has more value. What I'm looking for is to know why winning an FCS title helps NDSU more than playing on TV in front of millions. I picked the second most watched FCS Championship in history and compared it to the FBS game played that same year - and people said it was "anecdotal." I did look for viewership numbers for other games, but they were impossible to find.

I never said NDSU should move up - we all know there's a lot more to that happening than a school simply wanting to go. All I said is that given their position, I believe that NDSU gets more exposure by playing P4 teams and showed the best data set available. Sure, some years their viewership for those FBS games isn't as high - I even acknowledged that NDSU was fortunate to play a really hyped Colorado team that swung the viewership in their favor.

Now - here's the shocking bit. I will add here that I was wrong about MSU's financial position. My opinion was based on some conversations I had with internal people, but I gave it some thought and I was likely either misinterpreting what they said, or was only hearing their opinion and not others. A handful of MSU people acted like I called the school flat broke, and some random NSU goofball said I hated the university because I had a neutral opinion. I can explain what I meant until I'm blue in the face and people are just going to take it in whatever direction they want, and that's perfectly okay - but to get upset (not referring to you specifically) when I try to defend a statement is... concerning.

[SW_Mustang]

I may have misinterpreted what you said/meant. Which seems to happen a lot when the goalposts move.

Likewise. I believe we were both fairly consistent - but it was also late. I was trying to respond as fast as I could before I had to jump off, and there were a ton of quote tweets to respond too. I didn't realize how passionate people are about sports marketing - warms my heart as a sports marketing guy.

I say it every time but I think most of y'all are a swell bunch and I enjoy butting heads. Life would be boring if we just agreed with each other all the time.

[SW_Mustang]

Jimmies are up to three conference wins in volleyball with their 3-1 victory over Minot. Mary coming up tomorrow and I expect they'll win that.

Interesting that the Jims are ahead of Augustana in the standings - I didn't see that coming.

[laker]

It's truly a box of chocolates! Only thing missing is a glass of chocolate milk....

All you had to do was ask.

[Purple Mav Man]

It's okay if you don't believe that national TV exposure in front of 5.6 million people doesn't have the same effect as winning an FCS title. It's okay that I believe it has more value. What I'm looking for is to know why winning an FCS title helps NDSU more than playing on TV in front of millions. I picked the second most watched FCS Championship in history and compared it to the FBS game played that same year - and people said it was "anecdotal." I did look for viewership numbers for other games, but they were impossible to find.

Thats the 3rd different number you’ve presented for viewership.

And it is ok, you’re right.
But if no one is watching for NDSU, what good does it do them? How many of the random casual sports fans that made up a majority of the 4.78 or 5.2 or 5.6 million, whichever it is today, who were only watching because of the hype and circus gave two sh!ts that NDSU was the other team. Many probably didn’t even pay attention to who The Colorado Circus was playing. So yes, it gave them exposure. Now show me the numbers of how it benefited NDSU. What was their financial gain from that exposure outside of the guarantee that Colorado paid them?

[Purple Mav Man]

Likewise. I believe we were both fairly consistent - but it was also late. I was trying to respond as fast as I could before I had to jump off, and there were a ton of quote tweets to respond too. I didn't realize how passionate people are about sports marketing - warms my heart as a sports marketing guy.

I say it every time but I think most of y'all are a swell bunch and I enjoy butting heads. Life would be boring if we just agreed with each other all the time.

Sports Management with a minor in marketing here. So, same.

[Purple Mav Man]

All you had to do was ask.

Good ol reliable laker!