Should Jamestown be accepted into the NSIC?

[SW_Mustang]

I don't have any problem with how SMSU got the funds for their stadium. Good for them. Maybe if MSU had pushed for replacing Blakeslee two or three decades earlier the state of Minnesota might have kicked in some. That's not happening today. Heck getting money from the state to replace Armstrong is going to be tough.

MSU going the private route to fund 100% of the new stadium is what's needed in the reality of today's environment. The money isn't going to come from St Paul. It has nothing to do with their financial situation.

Hypothetically - What will MSU do if they can't get the money from the state to replace Armstrong Hall? Can they fund it's replacement on their own? If they can't...

I don't disagree with anything you've said here. The funding of the stadium and the financial position of the school are two different things because they're two different pots of money, and that's why I distinguished the two. Our disagreement seems to be on the financial position of the school, which is absolutely okay.

[SW_Mustang]

You really think NDSU wants to be judged by their victories over FBS teams and not the 10 national championships in the last 14 years?

NDSU vs. Colorado averaged 4.76 million viewers and was played in front of 49,000 people.

NDSU vs. Montana State averaged 2.4 million viewers and was played in front of 18,000 people.

The Bison want recognition any way they can get it. For a school hellbent on building a national brand, I'd be hard pressed to believe that the trophy helps them more than P4 games and NFL Draft Picks.

Fact is - NDSU brings far more prestige to the FCS title than the FCS title brings to NDSU.

And I know - Colorado, Deion, Hunter, Shadeur - that game isn't drawing 4.76 if they're playing Indiana State. People wanted to see what was going to happen because NDSU had a legitimate shot.

[vikingfaithful]

NDSU vs. Colorado averaged 4.76 million viewers and was played in front of 49,000 people.

NDSU vs. Montana State averaged 2.4 million viewers and was played in front of 18,000 people.

The Bison want recognition any way they can get it. For a school hellbent on building a national brand, I'd be hard pressed to believe that the trophy helps them more than P4 games and NFL Draft Picks.

Fact is - NDSU brings far more prestige to the FCS title than the FCS title brings to NDSU.

And I know - Colorado, Deion, Hunter, Shadeur - that game isn't drawing 4.76 if they're playing Indiana State. People wanted to see what was going to happen because NDSU had a legitimate shot.

It's probably been a decade or so, Nebraska Cornhuskers quietly paid NDSU off to get out from a home against the Bison. Most likely out of fear of losing.

[zimmy21]

It's probably been a decade or so, Nebraska Cornhuskers quietly paid NDSU off to get out from a home against the Bison. Most likely out of fear of losing.

Iirc Oregon postponed their game against NDSU from 2020 to 2028 which is ridiculous but part of me wonders why exactly

[zimmy21]

NDSU vs. Colorado averaged 4.76 million viewers and was played in front of 49,000 people.

NDSU vs. Montana State averaged 2.4 million viewers and was played in front of 18,000 people.

The Bison want recognition any way they can get it. For a school hellbent on building a national brand, I'd be hard pressed to believe that the trophy helps them more than P4 games and NFL Draft Picks.

Fact is - NDSU brings far more prestige to the FCS title than the FCS title brings to NDSU.

And I know - Colorado, Deion, Hunter, Shadeur - that game isn't drawing 4.76 if they're playing Indiana State. People wanted to see what was going to happen because NDSU had a legitimate shot.

Oversimplifying that it was also Week 1 at 7 pm so all eyes were on Primetime and his 2 Heisman watchlist players. NDSU helped some probably but there's no way of knowing exactly how many tunes in for that chance

[SW_Mustang]

It's probably been a decade or so, Nebraska Cornhuskers quietly paid NDSU off to get out from a home against the Bison. Most likely out of fear of losing.

Interesting - I had no idea that happened.

NDSU was seemingly blacklisted from P4 games for a while. Nobody wanted to take the risk. I was surprised when Colorado scheduled them, that could have gone pretty bad for the Buffs - and almost did.

[SW_Mustang]

Oversimplifying that it was also Week 1 at 7 pm so all eyes were on Primetime and his 2 Heisman watchlist players. NDSU helped some probably but there's no way of knowing exactly how many tunes in for that chance

And... what?

Do the Bison care why people tuned in, or do they care that they were seen by a peak 5.2 million?

I also already acknowledged your points - see the bottom of my post.

It's interesting - but the fundamentals of branding aren't as difficult as the thread makes them out to be.

[Purple Mav Man]

Yeesh - didn't realize it was such a sensitive subject.

Okay - answer me this. You think it's absolutely incomprehensible that I want DI to have one trophy like literally every other sport in every other facet of society. But then you scoffed at my obviously sarcastic comment to add an additional fourteen trophies to DI football. Where is your line on how many are acceptable and how many aren't, and why?

You're right - NDSU doesn't want to be judged by the FBS teams they beat. It's completely irrelevant to their brand. Silly me lol. App State beating Michigan? Nah, just another day at the office.

Good lord.

It’s not a sensitive subject. I’m just really tired of you pretending to be the smartest person in the room and making things up, disregarding accomplishments and pretending to be NDSU’s brand ambassador by telling us all what they want. It’s pathetic and laughable.

Nice loaded question. Love it. Ok at who’s sensitive now 🤣 Being that there have been 2 established trophies for quite some time, and there isn’t realistic talk of adding any more, I’m not sure why you’re worked up about it. To answer your question directly, 2. And the reason why is because FCS isn’t something they just recently made up to give everyone a trophy. It even has a differentiator included in the name. Most people understand that and don’t get it confused. Lots of sports have multiple trophies for different levels. That’s the part you seem unable, or unwilling, to accept. While they are both Division 1, there are two very clear divisions within it. Minor league baseball is ALL minor league baseball, but has rookie league, low A, high A (gasp, both A ball level), double A and triple A.

You’re right, silly you. Your Colorado cherry picked example has already been picked apart. A national TV game for Deion’s circus that already had a built in following? Say it isn’t so that almost 5 million watched.
Also, App State had that nice win many years ago. And have fallen back into irrelevance. So what’s your point on that?

[Purple Mav Man]

And... what?

Do the Bison care why people tuned in, or do they care that they were seen by a peak 5.2 million?

I also already acknowledged your points - see the bottom of my post.

It's interesting - but the fundamentals of branding aren't as difficult as the thread makes them out to be.

You seem to speak for the Bison. Tell us

[Purple Mav Man]

Interesting - I had no idea that happened.

NDSU was seemingly blacklisted from P4 games for a while. Nobody wanted to take the risk. I was surprised when Colorado scheduled them, that could have gone pretty bad for the Buffs - and almost did.

Colorado and NDSU agreed to the game when Colorado wasn’t winning football games or on the national stage (pre-Deion). NDSU kinda lucked into the large spotlight, and am sure they were happy to be there.

[SW_Mustang]

You seem to speak for the Bison. Tell us

Yeah, you're right. NDSU definitely doesn't care about getting attention any way they can. Silly me for questioning you.

[NSU4LIFE]

It’s not a sensitive subject. I’m just really tired of you pretending to be the smartest person in the room and making things up, disregarding accomplishments and pretending to be NDSU’s brand ambassador by telling us all what they want. It’s pathetic and laughable.

Nice loaded question. Love it. Ok at who’s sensitive now 🤣 Being that there have been 2 established trophies for quite some time, and there isn’t realistic talk of adding any more, I’m not sure why you’re worked up about it. To answer your question directly, 2. And the reason why is because FCS isn’t something they just recently made up to give everyone a trophy. It even has a differentiator included in the name. Most people understand that and don’t get it confused. Lots of sports have multiple trophies for different levels. That’s the part you seem unable, or unwilling, to accept. While they are both Division 1, there are two very clear divisions within it. Minor league baseball is ALL minor league baseball, but has rookie league, low A, high A (gasp, both A ball level), double A and triple A.

You’re right, silly you. Your Colorado cherry picked example has already been picked apart. A national TV game for Deion’s circus that already had a built in following? Say it isn’t so that almost 5 million watched.
Also, App State had that nice win many years ago. And have fallen back into irrelevance. So what’s your point on that?

Finally...some else points it out

[SW_Mustang]

NDSU kinda lucked into the large spotlight, and am sure they were happy to be there.

I need to hop off for the night - I enjoy going back and forth with you, so don't take our discussions personally regardless of how animated we both get (I don't think you are - but just so you know where I'm at).

Either NDSU benefits from being in front of a peak 5.2, or they don't. I made the claim that it's beneficial for them regardless of the circumstances - and you said I was picked apart. Now you're saying it was beneficial for them. I genuinely don't understand - is it, or isn't it? Why or why not?

I'm quickly learning that it doesn't make me a lot of fun at parties - but I see college sports through a business lens. Part of it is what I do for a living, part of it is my Marketing degree - but it's how I see the world. I winced a bit when the SMSU logo appeared in an unflattering YouTube video with close to 2 million views a couple weeks ago.

I don't have to speak for NDSU to know they like money. They want more people to know who they are, and to do that - they need to be in front of as many people as they can, as often as they can. I can say that because it's how every school operates... like... for example... Jamestown joining the NSIC. Good night everybody!

[SW_Mustang]

Finally...some else points it out

I must have really rubbed you the wrong way - half of your posts on this board is this mindless dribble.

For someone who likes calling people out indirectly for their board contributions, you really have nothing to contribute yourself - ironically.

[SW_Mustang]

It’s not a sensitive subject. I’m just really tired of you pretending to be the smartest person in the room and making things up, disregarding accomplishments and pretending to be NDSU’s brand ambassador by telling us all what they want. It’s pathetic and laughable.

Nice loaded question. Love it. Ok at who’s sensitive now 🤣 Being that there have been 2 established trophies for quite some time, and there isn’t realistic talk of adding any more, I’m not sure why you’re worked up about it. To answer your question directly, 2. And the reason why is because FCS isn’t something they just recently made up to give everyone a trophy. It even has a differentiator included in the name. Most people understand that and don’t get it confused. Lots of sports have multiple trophies for different levels. That’s the part you seem unable, or unwilling, to accept. While they are both Division 1, there are two very clear divisions within it. Minor league baseball is ALL minor league baseball, but has rookie league, low A, high A (gasp, both A ball level), double A and triple A.

You’re right, silly you. Your Colorado cherry picked example has already been picked apart. A national TV game for Deion’s circus that already had a built in following? Say it isn’t so that almost 5 million watched.
Also, App State had that nice win many years ago. And have fallen back into irrelevance. So what’s your point on that?

Man - you're my favorite poster to go back and forth with. But you could have just said "2" lol