Should Jamestown be accepted into the NSIC?

[laker]

laker you are the MVP of this message board. I never know where your posts might go, but they are always entertaining!

LOL! Thanks, that is quite a compliment. If I can make one person laugh every day I feel that I've accomplished something. Rather make a friend that an enemy, I have enough of those!

[CollegeFBGuy]

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[SW_Mustang]

Kwik Trip
Cass Clay

Solid option right there.

[Tommy Kramer fan]

In talking to the few people I know in athletic administration the consensus seems to be that the NAIA may not even exist 10 or so yrs from now. For those teams playing there it may be a situation where you either find a way to get to the NCAA somewhat on your terms now or be in a situation where you take whatever you can get down the road. Not an attractive situation for a lot of the enrollment driven NAIA schools out there.

[Stanger86]

In talking to the few people I know in athletic administration the consensus seems to be that the NAIA may not even exist 10 or so yrs from now. For those teams playing there it may be a situation where you either find a way to get to the NCAA somewhat on your terms now or be in a situation where you take whatever you can get down the road. Not an attractive situation for a lot of the enrollment driven NAIA schools out there.

I think there is still a lot of shuffling to come. I could see some conglomeration of the FCS and the "Group of" conferences joining forces. Any FCS conferences/schools that don't go that direction could look to Division II. That's where the NSIC as we know it could begin to really change. I think that's why conference stability/strength in numbers is still a priority in the league office. It isn't about how important Jamestown was or is, but rather to keep the league as strong in numbers as possible for when the next big changes begin to happen.

[Purple Mav Man]

I think there is still a lot of shuffling to come. I could see some conglomeration of the FCS and the "Group of" conferences joining forces. Any FCS conferences/schools that don't go that direction could look to Division II. That's where the NSIC as we know it could begin to really change. I think that's why conference stability/strength in numbers is still a priority in the league office. It isn't about how important Jamestown was or is, but rather to keep the league as strong in numbers as possible for when the next big changes begin to happen.

I’m a littles confused here. You mention that some FCS schools that don’t want to join your hypothetical conglomerate and could look to D2.
If more schools will become D2 in your hypothetical, then why was adding Jamestown for strength in numbers? Wouldn’t there be more teams to grab if they move down from FCS?
Or are you also assuming some teams will leave the NSIC?

[Tommy Kramer fan]

The “Group of” conferences want very little to do with any school that is currently FCS. The “Group of” want to love into one of the “Power” conferences and unfortunately for them, the “Power” conferences want less to do with the “Group of” than the “Group of” want to do with the FCS. I really don’t see schools moving back to D2 unless there is a huge revenue sharing requirement mandated by congress in exchange for NCAA anti-trust relief. Unfortunately, if that happens, the mid-major/FCS D1s are just more likely to drop football and other sports to chase basketball and remain part of the club.

[njmav1]

The “Group of” conferences want very little to do with any school that is currently FCS. The “Group of” want to love into one of the “Power” conferences and unfortunately for them, the “Power” conferences want less to do with the “Group of” than the “Group of” want to do with the FCS. I really don’t see schools moving back to D2 unless there is a huge revenue sharing requirement mandated by congress in exchange for NCAA anti-trust relief. Unfortunately, if that happens, the mid-major/FCS D1s are just more likely to drop football and other sports to chase basketball and remain part of the club.

I agree with this. D2 expansion isn't going to come FROM FCS drop downs. But if the NAIA does cease to exist, that will likely provide more D2 football programs.

[SW_Mustang]

Jims are 10th in the NSIC VB standings after having won four of their last five games. (Just reporting the news, not offering support or detraction)

Not sure how many left are winnable - maybe just Augustana right now, who has been struggling this season.

[Stanger86]

The “Group of” conferences want very little to do with any school that is currently FCS. The “Group of” want to love into one of the “Power” conferences and unfortunately for them, the “Power” conferences want less to do with the “Group of” than the “Group of” want to do with the FCS. I really don’t see schools moving back to D2 unless there is a huge revenue sharing requirement mandated by congress in exchange for NCAA anti-trust relief. Unfortunately, if that happens, the mid-major/FCS D1s are just more likely to drop football and other sports to chase basketball and remain part of the club.

I probably didn't word that the best.....it wouldn't really be teams dropping down, but more likely current FCS schools backfilling to join the Group teams and current D2s backfilling to join the FCS (whether it's still part of FCS or a different level, I can't say for certain).

NCAA realignment is about survival. You can talk the big talk about not liking your little brother, but at the end of the day joining forces is what's going to help these conferences survive. Look at the demise of the Pac 12.....it died partly because there was a reluctance to join forces once the depletion began. It took them until the next cycle to take it seriously, and now it looks like the league took a clear step back by not being proactive in the 2024 round of realignment. Meanwhile, conferences like the Big XII continue to backfill as programs depart for greener pastures.

No, it's not what it once was. And it even took a few cycles to get back to where it is now....but it is still in a better place than the Pac XII. The Division II equivalent here is the NSIC (or even the MIAA) compared to the GNAC. No, the MIAA and NSIC are not what they once were. Conference historians will call the 2012 expansion of the MIAA no longer what it once was, because they are forced to compete in the same league as programs they formerly believed were inferior (and maybe still do). But it has helped to keep the conference alive and strong in numbers.

[CollegeFBGuy]

The “Group of” conferences want very little to do with any school that is currently FCS. The “Group of” want to love into one of the “Power” conferences and unfortunately for them, the “Power” conferences want less to do with the “Group of” than the “Group of” want to do with the FCS. I really don’t see schools moving back to D2 unless there is a huge revenue sharing requirement mandated by congress in exchange for NCAA anti-trust relief. Unfortunately, if that happens, the mid-major/FCS D1s are just more likely to drop football and other sports to chase basketball and remain part of the club.

Looking at FCS football, I could see where some would drop football, since they don’t seem to be “in” like they could be or are in other sports. The FCS is huge around here, but it’s not universal

[SW_Mustang]

I saw the Jamestown volleyball bus last night.

That's all I got.

[Tommy Kramer fan]

Jamestown classic, gets blown out Bemidji

What is your deal? I was scrolling games all afternoon and Jamestown was getting beat by 16 when Bemidji went no huddle and punched another td in with one second to go in the game. Bemidji’s team looks so much better in the second half of the year … (kind of like Northern last year) but chirping about Jamestown getting “blown out” is a little over the top. Looking back, Jamestown beat Concordia and had legitimate chances to beat both Southwest and Minot. Probably a better first year than most expected based on their GPAC record the past 5 years. I’d say they’re trending in the right direction.

[Stanger86]

Please don't use the word legitimate and Jamestown in the same paragraph. BSU blew out Jamestown. It was 41-18 with 13 minutes left in the game. It was a 22 pt loss, that is a blow out.

Volleyball 4-10 in NSIC
Men's Soccer lost 9-0 Ft Hays St, blow out
Women's Soccer 2-8-1, outscored 12-0 the last 4 games including 5-0 blow out

I'm sorry if you are disappointed because you expected championships as the only way you would view Jamestown in the NSIC as a positive.

[Tommy Kramer fan]

Starting to think he is a Valley City grad who had his girlfriend stolen by a Jimmie…