Should Jamestown be accepted into the NSIC?

[Millsy]

I don’t know where Alexandria should be…I don’t know that they can hang with the big boys, but I also have trouble seeing a big school like that playing Morris/Benson, Wadena, and many of the A schools. Their youth teams seem to be competitive. It might be rough, but that seems like an AA school

Yeah, I know.... As much as I hate to say it, hockey kind of needs a third class. AAA for the big boys that do all the recruiting, AA for the mid schools, and the A for the smaller schools. If the State of Minnesota can have 7 classes for FB, why not 3 for hockey? I know the traditionalist want a one class system back, but you will just end up with the same five or six schools ruling the State.

Until the MSHSL does something about the blatant transferring/"open enrollment", it is all just a joke. Seems to be most prevalent in hockey, even though I know it happens in other sports. But hockey seems to be the worst (or maybe just because I follow it closer than anything else). High school hockey will eventually be just like AAA hockey in the rest of the US, best players end up at the top 6-8 programs, everyone else is scraps.

[Stanger86]

Going back a few pages to the discussion around NAIA's future.....we also need to think about how that changes things to the south. Programs like Grand View, Northwestern and Morningside also possibly coming into Division II could really change the conference landscape to a point where we go from one to three conferences in the Upper Midwest.

[CollegeFBGuy]

Yeah, I know.... As much as I hate to say it, hockey kind of needs a third class. AAA for the big boys that do all the recruiting, AA for the mid schools, and the A for the smaller schools. If the State of Minnesota can have 7 classes for FB, why not 3 for hockey? I know the traditionalist want a one class system back, but you will just end up with the same five or six schools ruling the State.

Until the MSHSL does something about the blatant transferring/"open enrollment", it is all just a joke. Seems to be most prevalent in hockey, even though I know it happens in other sports. But hockey seems to be the worst (or maybe just because I follow it closer than anything else). High school hockey will eventually be just like AAA hockey in the rest of the US, best players end up at the top 6-8 programs, everyone else is scraps.

6 classes in football is 1 too many, in my opinion. Having sections that feature 5-6 teams, in 5A and 4A is dumb. Moves good chunk of 4A up and slide some down. Eliminate 1 class and balance the #s in the classes below the top one.

[Purple Mav Man]

6 classes in football is 1 too many, in my opinion. Having sections that feature 5-6 teams, in 5A and 4A is dumb. Moves good chunk of 4A up and slide some down. Eliminate 1 class and balance the #s in the classes below the top one.

They have really watered down the term “Football State Champion”

[wscsuperfan]

6 classes in football is 1 too many, in my opinion. Having sections that feature 5-6 teams, in 5A and 4A is dumb. Moves good chunk of 4A up and slide some down. Eliminate 1 class and balance the #s in the classes below the top one.

Nebraska is adding another class to its high school football ranks......we will now have 8 classes for roughly 280 football-playing schools. (4 classes of 11-man, three classes of 8-man and one class of 6-man)

[CollegeFBGuy]

Nebraska is adding another class to its high school football ranks......we will now have 8 classes for roughly 280 football-playing schools. (4 classes of 11-man, three classes of 8-man and one class of 6-man)

Minnesota has 6 classes of 11 "person" (because they don't like to call it "man" any more) and 1 class of 9-man...so 7 classes. I'd have to look to know how many teams total, but 9-man continues to shrink...more schools are combining to play the smallest divisions of 11 man ball.

[wscsuperfan]

Minnesota has 6 classes of 11 "person" (because they don't like to call it "man" any more) and 1 class of 9-man...so 7 classes. I'd have to look to know how many teams total, but 9-man continues to shrink...more schools are combining to play the smallest divisions of 11 man ball.

11-man is shrinking and 8-man growing here.

[SW_Mustang]

Going back a few pages to the discussion around NAIA's future.....we also need to think about how that changes things to the south. Programs like Grand View, Northwestern and Morningside also possibly coming into Division II could really change the conference landscape to a point where we go from one to three conferences in the Upper Midwest.

Guessing the GPAC would move to DII as a group- the others would be interesting. The Mayville States and VCSUs in that transaction may consider DIII as an option instead too.

That's just all speculation on my part - I really have no idea, but it is interesting to think about.

[SW_Mustang]

The MSHSL doesn't want to hurt anyone's feelings, and there are a lot of "big fish small pond" types that have a lot of feelings to be hurt. It's a match made in heaven.

Nothing wrong with multiple classes in sports that have a ton of teams - but I think Minnesota could shave off a couple 11-man/bear/pig/person (whatever they're called now) titles and be just fine. Problem is, MSHSL would get an ear load from coaches, parents, and especially administrators if they ever did that - so they won't.

Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk - I will now vacate the soapbox.

[Stanger86]

This is the current MN football classification method.

Largest 32 = 6A
Next 48 = Class AAAAA
Next 48 = Class AAAA
Next 54 = Class AAA
Divided equally in 1/2 = Class AA
Divided equally in 1/2 = Class A
150 Enrollment = 9-Player

[SW_Mustang]

Let's assume 292 11-man teams -

Option 1:

5A: Top 58
4A: Next 58
3A: Next 58
2A: Next 59
1A: Next 59

Option 2:

4A: Top 73
3A: Next 73
2A: Next 73
1A: Next 73

I prefer option two - personally. All classes are equal size, and I think 73 per class is more than reasonable to crown a champion - while still allowing for some parity so the smallest schools still have something to play for.

[Stanger86]

Let's assume 292 11-man teams -

Option 1:

5A: Top 58
4A: Next 58
3A: Next 58
2A: Next 59
1A: Next 59

Option 2:

4A: Top 73
3A: Next 73
2A: Next 73
1A: Next 73

I prefer option two - personally. All classes are equal size, and I think 73 per class is more than reasonable to crown a champion - while still allowing for some parity so the smallest schools still have something to play for.

Because of the MSHSL's insistence on giving every team a playoff game, these both are more difficult in practice. That's why you see the classes divided into more easily divisible sizes like 32, 48 and 54.

[SW_Mustang]

Because of the MSHSL's insistence on giving every team a playoff game, these both are more difficult in practice. That's why you see the classes divided into more easily divisible sizes like 32, 48 and 54.

Yeah - that's true. Not sure I agree with that aspect either.

[Purple Mav Man]

This is the current MN football classification method.

Largest 32 = 6A
Next 48 = Class AAAAA
Next 48 = Class AAAA
Next 54 = Class AAA
Divided equally in 1/2 = Class AA
Divided equally in 1/2 = Class A
150 Enrollment = 9-Player

Could cut one by going:
Largest 32 = AAAAA
Next 64 = Class AAAA
Next 64 = Class AAA
Next 64 = Class AA
Next 64ish = Class A

It’s semi-difficult to make the top class too large. Many of those schools are larger than NSIC schools.

[WSUWarriorFan]

This is the current MN football classification method.

Largest 32 = 6A
Next 48 = Class AAAAA
Next 48 = Class AAAA
Next 54 = Class AAA
Divided equally in 1/2 = Class AA
Divided equally in 1/2 = Class A
150 Enrollment = 9-Player

9 player is based on grades 9-11 enrollment too. I believe everyone else is 9-12