Should Jamestown be accepted into the NSIC?

[Purple Mav Man]

This is the current MN football classification method.

Largest 32 = 6A
Next 48 = Class AAAAA
Next 48 = Class AAAA
Next 54 = Class AAA
Divided equally in 1/2 = Class AA
Divided equally in 1/2 = Class A
150 Enrollment = 9-Player

Could cut one by going:
Largest 32 = AAAAA
Next 64 = Class AAAA
Next 64 = Class AAA
Next 64 = Class AA
Next 64ish = Class A

It’s semi-difficult to make the top class too large. Many of those schools are larger than NSIC schools.

[WSUWarriorFan]

This is the current MN football classification method.

Largest 32 = 6A
Next 48 = Class AAAAA
Next 48 = Class AAAA
Next 54 = Class AAA
Divided equally in 1/2 = Class AA
Divided equally in 1/2 = Class A
150 Enrollment = 9-Player

9 player is based on grades 9-11 enrollment too. I believe everyone else is 9-12

[debergfan]

I said they would be decent. I thought they would be close to .500, with 8-10 wins. You are right, they are a little worse than I expected. But I also wasn't factoring in the strange scheduling in VB this year. I still believe playing Winona, Concordia, Mankato and St Cloud more than they are playing Mary, Minot and Moorhead is a little crazy. Maybe I'm the only one. That could have been the extra 4-5 wins I was projecting, which would have put them exactly where I was projecting them to finish.

So you were wrong?

[Dan Brookens]

It might make sense to divide teams into nice even groups of numbers of teams, but that's totally the wrong idea. It's all about the enrollment numbers. High school football will always be a numbers game. Even the really good teams in Class A would have a terrible time over a full season in 4A or 5A, they'd get worn down by teams that can fully platoon and bring in capable, fresh players all game long.

Also, Jamestown would do really well against high school teams too.

[wscsuperfan]

This is the current MN football classification method.

Largest 32 = 6A
Next 48 = Class AAAAA
Next 48 = Class AAAA
Next 54 = Class AAA
Divided equally in 1/2 = Class AA
Divided equally in 1/2 = Class A
150 Enrollment = 9-Player

This is what Nebraska will be doing for the next two years

11-Man
Class A (Schools with three-grade boys enrollment of 425 and above)

Class B (three-grade boys enrollment 160-424)

Class C1 & C2 (schools that opt to play 11-man with enrollment of 159 and below. The schools are divided equally into C1 and C2 with the top half of enrollment in C1 and the remainder in C2)

8-Man
- Enrollment of 55 or below (three-grade boys enrollment) to be eligible for playoffs

- Of those schools, 32 largest will be Class D1
- Remainder are split evenly into Class D2 and D3

6-Man
- Three grade boys enrollment of 27 or below to be eligible for playoffs

[laker]

This is what Nebraska will be doing for the next two years

Eight classes in all?

[wscsuperfan]

Eight classes in all?

Yes....rather ridiculous.

And we have a couple of reservation schools that play in a league in South Dakota as well.

[laker]

Because of the MSHSL's insistence on giving every team a playoff game, these both are more difficult in practice. That's why you see the classes divided into more easily divisible sizes like 32, 48 and 54.

This year, the local section had 8 teams but only the top six made the playoffs. #7 Nicollet hosted #8 BLHS in a "friendship" game which ended 14-8 for Nicollet. A much better ending for both teams. Evidently it is up to each section. BLHS didn't win a game all year, good thing that they didn't play #1 like in past years.

[MrMustang]

I think they should join the NSIC. Can you imagine that thread?

I approve

[MrMustang]

Word on the street is they are waiting for Hermantown to move up to AA in hockey first.

great post

[MrMustang]

When the NCC schools moved to FCS, there stated reason was D2 was getting watered down by less competitive schools moving to D2. If NAIA folds and its masses accepted into D2 once again the watered down effect takes place. Augustana doesn't want to play Peru St. or Mt Marty. Either there would have to be a new classification D2A and D2B or move to FCS, Choices would have to be made. Was not disparaging two previously mentioned schools, they would be financially challenged going D2.

that was their stated reason. In fopotball they could feel that way.

In hoops however, the NSIC had won something like 8 of 10 regional titles over the NCC. Northern, SMSU, Winona had won titles while beating the NCC in hoops. I am too lazy to look it up now but it has been mentioned and discussed here many times

[MrMustang]

Complaining about losing to private schools then getting spanked by East Grand Forks the following year was peak comedy.

ridiculous they are Class A given there are 200,000 people in the Duluth metro to recruit from. much different than Warroad or East grand Forks or Fergus Falls or Albert Lea

[MrMustang]

6 classes in football is 1 too many, in my opinion. Having sections that feature 5-6 teams, in 5A and 4A is dumb. Moves good chunk of 4A up and slide some down. Eliminate 1 class and balance the #s in the classes below the top one.

100% correct !!!!

Also go back to 9 regular season games like int he 1980s and then only top 4 teams make playoffs. everyone still gets 9 games but we don't have worhtless lopsided week 1 playoff games that are 50-0 and no one wants to play.

and yes, we can merge 2A -5A to be 3 classes instead of 4 classes. would be better

[Millsy]

ridiculous they are Class A given there are 200,000 people in the Duluth metro to recruit from. much different than Warroad or East grand Forks or Fergus Falls or Albert Lea

Hermantown has pulled from the whole Iron Range in the past, not just the Duluth area, East Grand Forks pulls in kids from Grand Forks all the time. Warroad has also found ways to get kids across the border.

Moorhead, although they are AA, has their Fargo, West Fargo and Sioux Falls pipelines along with a spattering of West Central Minnesota kids. Gotta keep up with the programs in the Cities.

[SW_Mustang]

What we should do is split Class 6A into Class 6A-A and Class 6A-B and award each bracket its own Class 6A state championship. It only makes sense to have two Class 6A state champions and any argument against it is automatically invalid.

Think of the feelings of the poor small-big schools! They deserve to be champions too, or something? Amirite guys?

...guys...?