Should Jamestown be accepted into the NSIC?

[SW_Mustang]

Hockey ain’t cheap

Definitely not, but most ACHA teams aren't funded by the school and ones that are probably aren't getting much.

I mean, SMSU joined the ACHA and we can't afford much as it is, though that project has been shelved for the time being (not due to money).

[Purple Mav Man]

I'd equate it to the wheelchair basketball program here or even eSports. It's technically under the athletics umbrella and not a club sport. But even if athletics is funding it, it ultimately probably doesn't greatly affect the bottom line.

Hockey ain’t cheap

[SW_Mustang]

I'd equate it to the wheelchair basketball program here or even eSports. It's technically under the athletics umbrella and not a club sport. But even if athletics is funding it, it ultimately probably doesn't greatly affect the bottom line.

True point.

eSports is an interesting one because they can get sponsorships that the other programs can't get, and they have a fairly low overhead.

[Stanger86]

That is true - some ACHA programs are technically varsity. Minot *might* be one of them if I am correct, but I know at some bigger schools like Mizzou they are definitely varsity.

Not sure how that works, it probably falls under Title IX if the school is funding it so I could see them getting the axe in that regard - but I doubt UJ is funding the hockey program.

I'd equate it to the wheelchair basketball program here or even eSports. It's technically under the athletics umbrella and not a club sport. But even if athletics is funding it, it ultimately probably doesn't greatly affect the bottom line.

[SW_Mustang]

Depends on how the team is funded. There are ACHA programs out there that are funded by their athletic department and offer scholarships, and then there are programs out there where it is basically pay to play. If the athletic department is funding them at all, would those dollars end up going to the NCAA startup?

But in general terms, no, the school's NCAA status has very little bearing on ACHA status.

That is true - some ACHA programs are technically varsity. Minot *might* be one of them if I am correct, but I know at some bigger schools like Mizzou they are definitely varsity.

Not sure how that works, it probably falls under Title IX if the school is funding it so I could see them getting the axe in that regard - but I doubt UJ is funding the hockey program.

[Millsy]

I don't know much about ACHA hockey but I don't think they'd be affected at all by NCAA sports, would they?

ACHA is kind of the wild west of college hockey, and just isn't really on my radar.

Depends on how the team is funded. There are ACHA programs out there that are funded by their athletic department and offer scholarships, and then there are programs out there where it is basically pay to play. If the athletic department is funding them at all, would those dollars end up going to the NCAA startup?

But in general terms, no, the school's NCAA status has very little bearing on ACHA status.

[zimmy21]

1. What will men's soccer do? will they join the GLIAC for soccer?
2. What will men's volleyball do?
3. Will enrollment continue to grow when you don't have any championships to compete for
4. Forbes gave Jamestown - D rating
5. Will coaches salaries increase?
6. What will happen to all their JV teams, who will they play?
7. How will they fill their schedule next year?
8. What happens to the paint bucket tradition?

1. Doubtful
2. Cease to exist
3. Can't really go down much so my guess is stay or grow
4. Hahahahaha
5. Yes I would assume so
6. Gustavus has some JV squads, maybe they can just play them lol
7. I'm sure a mixture of NSIC and NAIA schools.
8. That's dead the second they walk through the door, I less they convert it to another sport which seems unlikely

[SW_Mustang]

Stanger86 pointed out in a previous post/other thread that Chad Courier mentioned Jamestown’s enrollment was over 50% athletes. When those JVs and non-NSIC sports (likely) get cut and their multiple hockey teams are no longer, do those students just stay there? Or does Jamestown go real deep and keep all their sports and try to find travel between 3 conferences?

I don't know much about ACHA hockey but I don't think they'd be affected at all by NCAA sports, would they?

ACHA is kind of the wild west of college hockey, and just isn't really on my radar.

[Stanger86]

What a situation we have here. Sounds like a sink or swim scenario or a cart before the horse however you put it. If the 50% athlete number is true this could sink them. I can't see the NSIC ever sponsoring hockey but it puts schools with hockey programs in a unique position. Mary was just ranked #23 in ACHA Division 1. They have also started recruiting throughout Canada. Minot, Moorehead and Jamestown have invested a lot in their hockey programs and draw big crowds at the end of the day there is no NCAA affiliation and some may say it takes away from other sports. My instincts tell me Jamestown gets rejected. Nothing against them as a program but its more of a move made in desperation.

I think they can probably keep hockey. If three other NSICs can get by with it I don't know why they couldn't.

[vikingfaithful]

I think the GPAC got tired of Jamestown flirting with the NSIC....and the GPAC picked up Waldorf and told the Jimmies to don't let the door hit ya where God split ya. (The GPAC was tired of playing the waiting game with them as they watched this process unfold with a conference member....a member that needed the GPAC a lot more than the GPAC needed them, given the proximity to the rest of that league)

I heard from the NSIC meeting a few weeks ago that UJ is still under consideration..but nothing more. For Jamestown's sake, I hope they didn't jump without a net.

So now UJ is about to become an orphan without a home unless the NSIC adopts them. Debergfan and Purple Mav Man bring up great points. Jamestown enrollment is very dependent on it's cadre of sporting endeavors. To compete in D2 they're going to have to raise scholarship numbers and cut some peripheral sports thus effecting enrollment. A double edged sword for a small private school. If I had a vote it would be a solid no.

[UMary1]

Stanger86 pointed out in a previous post/other thread that Chad Courier mentioned Jamestown’s enrollment was over 50% athletes. When those JVs and non-NSIC sports (likely) get cut and their multiple hockey teams are no longer, do those students just stay there? Or does Jamestown go real deep and keep all their sports and try to find travel between 3 conferences?

What a situation we have here. Sounds like a sink or swim scenario or a cart before the horse however you put it. If the 50% athlete number is true this could sink them. I can't see the NSIC ever sponsoring hockey but it puts schools with hockey programs in a unique position. Mary was just ranked #23 in ACHA Division 1. They have also started recruiting throughout Canada. Minot, Moorehead and Jamestown have invested a lot in their hockey programs and draw big crowds at the end of the day there is no NCAA affiliation and some may say it takes away from other sports. My instincts tell me Jamestown gets rejected. Nothing against them as a program but its more of a move made in desperation.

A quick question as you know more than me nationally, but in other conferences have there ever been programs with a reputation that Crookston had? Ex. do not belong, horrible facilities, no attempt to improve. Lonestar? GLIAC? Or is Crookston truly one of a kind to the point that when new members attempt to join Crookston memories arise.

[Stanger86]

Stanger86 pointed out in a previous post/other thread that Chad Courier mentioned Jamestown’s enrollment was over 50% athletes. When those JVs and non-NSIC sports (likely) get cut and their multiple hockey teams are no longer, do those students just stay there? Or does Jamestown go real deep and keep all their sports and try to find travel between 3 conferences?

These are fair questions.

[Purple Mav Man]

Stanger86 pointed out in a previous post/other thread that Chad Courier mentioned Jamestown’s enrollment was over 50% athletes. When those JVs and non-NSIC sports (likely) get cut and their multiple hockey teams are no longer, do those students just stay there? Or does Jamestown go real deep and keep all their sports and try to find travel between 3 conferences?

[Matt Witwicki]

Maybe GPAC was having buyers regret and was looking for an excuse to dump UJ anyway.

I think the GPAC got tired of Jamestown flirting with the NSIC....and the GPAC picked up Waldorf and told the Jimmies to don't let the door hit ya where God split ya. (The GPAC was tired of playing the waiting game with them as they watched this process unfold with a conference member....a member that needed the GPAC a lot more than the GPAC needed them, given the proximity to the rest of that league)

I heard from the NSIC meeting a few weeks ago that UJ is still under consideration..but nothing more. For Jamestown's sake, I hope they didn't jump without a net.

[vikingfaithful]

Maybe GPAC was having buyers regret and was looking for an excuse to dump UJ anyway.